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Ref Daddy's post, not Clay's post.
My first post was addressing Ref Daddy's statement. I was not addressing the original post specifically. I have read here and heard others make points of how profanity is automatic. Well to me it is never automatic. Because there are other terms if used are going to result in a T without the profanity. Sorry if that was misunderstood. But if the original post took place and I heard the player, I have no problem with giving them a T, profanity or no profanity. I know I have in the past given a T to players and they did not use any profanity. Sometimes it is the tone and the way things are said and done.
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Just for my information... Will everyone assess a flagrant T for a kid that says FU after a traveling call against him? Whether his back is turned or to your face? If someone doesn't think this is the proper punishment, I think we have a problem in our ranks.
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I would assess a flagrant T if the f-bomb was followed by you, since it was directed at someone. As for the f-bomb by itself, I'd promptly stop play, tell the kid to watch his language and let the coach know. If the coach decides to be an *** (as was the case in the original posting), I'd warn him that anyone on his team using the f-bomb will be getting a T no matter what. Usually coaches will shut up and really keep an ear out on their players.
Likewise, I've been known among coaches here for catching even the unspoken f-bomb. I've become such a good lipreader that I can distinguish any profane word, and bring a stop to it. That drives the guys in the city rec leagues I worked nuts. The HS coaches will be like where did that come from, and I'll flat out tell them, I saw it on his lips. Should see the looks I get when I say that. One result though: no more swear words the rest of the game! |
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Thanks for the replies, guys. I was reading this thread and getting confused. On one hand I'm reading that the player says FU with his back turned after a call against him and on the next I'm hearing that we should take the player aside and tell him not to do that!!!
All you new officials out there, THIS IS WHAT A FLAGRANT T IS. Don't get confused by the talk about swearing under your breath after a missed shot or bad pass. That's not what we're talking about here. Clay the only mistake you made was not tossing the kid in the first place. Then if the coach questions you he's an idiot. If he continues to be an idiot T him up and tell him to sit down for the rest of the game. I'm kind of ticked off about this subject because of some of the things that are going on out on the court that are being let go. Also, I'm ticked off because all my games got cancelled this week due to the cold weather (-41 without the wind chill yesterday morning). Sorry for the ranting, but this call is very black and white and not subject to interpretation. If you wear the stripes, you have to make the call. |
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Dan, not only would I have T'd the young gentlemen, but I probably would have got the coach for trying to justify the players actions, how ridiculous. Tying to justify dropping an "F'bomb' with a 'you' attatched to it, because it was in "the heat of battle". you did the right thing..
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No brainer
If I hear the "F" word it is automatic and any official in high school basketball that would not address this is contributing to what is wrong with high school sports. I happen to be a classroom teacher and will not tolerate this behavior in my classroom, hallway or at any high school event and anyone involved with a high school activity that is not inforcing this rule should not be officiating at this level. You are not gaining any respect from the kids if you are overlooking this and they see you as weak and lacking authority if you do not call the offender on this issue. If you don't get backing from a coach because you T'd the "F" word then I wouldn't lose any sleep over it because he is not worth the time!! We do not have to apologize to anyone for expecting a little sportmanship. Someone on an earlier post said something about having to explain a "F" that only you heard to an evaluator, well if he doesn't accept your explanation then you need a new evaluator. Stand your ground because it is the right thing to do!!!
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