IAABO Refresher Exam #17

[BillyMac]

Therefore, officials are encouraged to use this book in conjunction with the current edition of the NFHS Basketball Rules Book and the NFHS Basketball Case Book and NOT in place of the NFHS Rules Book and NFHS Case Book that contain the full text of the NFHS basketball rules and NFHS interpretations.

While IAABO admits that the NFHS Rulebook and the NFHS Casebook are the ultimate authority regarding high school basketball rules, here's what the IAABO Manual (their own version of the NFHS Rulebook and the NFHS Casebook) has to say regarding this issue.

[BillyMac]

Bottom line: A defensive player, or an offensive player, kicking the ball during a throw in is not a throwin violation, it’s indeed a violation, but it’s not a throwin violation, thus the confusion, especially since:

4-42-5: The throw-in ends when:
a. The passed ball touches or is touched by another player inbounds.
b. The passed ball touches or is touched by another player out-of-bounds, except as in 7-5-7.
c. The throw-in team commits a throw-in violation.

Both IAABO and the NFHS need clarify this situation (kicked ball during a throwin), especially in regard to clarifying violations in general and the subset of throwin violations.

[Raymond]

There used to be something called "floor violations". That was a long, long time ago that I last read about them.

If the rulebook no longer defines what constitutes a "throw-in violation", then we have to assume any violation by the offense committed before the throw-in ends is a throw-in violation.

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[bob jenkins]

4-46. Don't see how it helps.

Throw-in violations (which are a sub-set of floor violations) are in 9-2.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

4-46. Don't see how it helps. Throw-in violations (which are a sub-set of floor violations) are in 9-2.

Rule 4 - Section 46 - Violation
A violation is one of three types of rule infractions which are listed and the penalty outlined in
9-1 through 13. Following are the types of violations:
ART. 1 Type 1: Floor violations including basket interference by a teammate of the player attempting a field goal or free throw or goaltending a field goal and other violations, which are not connected with a free throw or try or tap for goal.
ART. 2 Type 2: Basket interference or goaltending by a player at the opponent’s basket.
ART. 3 Type 3: Free-throw violations other than those involving basket interference or goaltending.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

If the rulebook no longer defines what constitutes a "throw-in violation", then we have to assume any violation by the offense committed before the throw-in ends is a throw-in violation.

Rule 9 Violations And Penalties
Rule 9 - Section 2
Throw-In Provisions
ART. 1 The thrower shall not leave the designated throw-in spot until the ball has been released on a throw-in pass.
ART. 2 The ball shall be passed by the thrower directly into the court from out-of-bounds so it touches or is touched by another player (inbounds or out of bounds) on the court before going out of bounds untouched.
ART. 3 The thrown ball shall not be touched by a teammate of the thrower while the ball is on the out-of-bounds side of the throw-in boundary-line plane, except as in 7-5-7.
ART. 4 Once the throw-in starts, the ball shall be released on a pass directly into the court before five seconds have elapsed.
ART. 5 The thrower shall not carry the ball onto the court.
ART. 6 The thrown ball shall not touch the thrower in the court before it touches or is touched by another player.
ART. 7 The thrown ball shall not enter the basket before it touches or is touched by another player.
ART. 8 The thrown ball shall not become lodged between the backboard and ring or come to rest on the flange before it touches or is touched by another player.
ART. 9 The thrower shall not be replaced by a teammate after the ball is at the thrower’s disposal, except as in 7-5-7.
ART. 10 The opponent(s) of the thrower shall not have any part of his/her person through the inbounds side of the throw-in boundary-line plane until the ball has been released on a throw-in pass.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

If the rulebook no longer defines what constitutes a "throw-in violation", then we have to assume any violation by the offense committed before the throw-in ends is a throw-in violation.

Swinging elbows excessively without contact could be a throwin violation?

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by Raymond

There used to be something called "floor violations". That was a long, long time ago that I last read about them.

If the rulebook no longer defines what constitutes a "throw-in violation", then we have to assume any violation by the offense committed before the throw-in ends is a throw-in violation.

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I think it's fine the way it is unless you're going for unity with NCAA. For simplicity, is like it to say, any violation by the throw-in team loses the arrow, by the defense keep the arrow, fouls do not change the arrow. Trying to make it throw in only violations by the offense is harder to remember for newer officials. Older ones screw this up enough as it is

[RefLarry]

The confirmed correct answer to #17 is "No".

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by RefLarry

The confirmed correct answer to #17 is "No".

#17 Team A is awarded the ball for a throw-in under the alternating-possession procedure. A-1’s throw-in is kicked by A-2. The official awards the ball to Team B and has the scorer turn the arrow toward Team B’s basket. Is the official correct?

No, as I answered correctly, but this says otherwise:

6.4.5 SITUATION A: Team A is awarded the ball for a throw-in under the alternating procedure. A1 commits a violation. RULING: B’s ball for a throw-in because of the violation. In addition, the possession arrow is reversed and is pointed towards B’s basket. Team B will have the next throw-in opportunity under the alternating procedure. Team A has lost its opportunity by virtue of the violation. A violation by Team A during an alternating-possession throw-in is the only way a team loses its turn under the procedure. COMMENT: If a foul by either team occurs before an alternating-possession throw-in ends, the foul is penalized as required and play continues as it normally would, but the possession arrow is not reversed. The same team will still have the arrow for the next alternating-possession throw-in. The arrow is reversed when an alternating-possession throw-in ends. (6-4-4)