Travel ???

[ChuckS]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

there's a difference between a "bobble" (an undefined term) and "batting the ball from one hand to another."

I looked in the HS rules and did not find these quoted words, nor did I find any rules governing how it would be legal to bobble the ball while moving.

[bob jenkins]

"Bobble" is another word for "muff". If you have that accidental loss of (or not yet gaining) control, it's not a travel. If you intentionally control the ball while batting it in the air, the it's a travel.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ChuckS

I looked in the HS rules and did not find these quoted words, nor did I find any rules governing how it would be legal to bobble the ball while moving.

NFHS 4-44: Traveling is moving a foot or feet in any direction in excess of prescribed limits while holding the ball.

The problem is that the NFHS does not define "holding" in Rule 4 Definitions.

So that leaves it up to a dictionary definition along with purpose and intent and some common sense.

[BillyMac]

4.15 COMMENT: It is not possible for a player to travel during a dribble. A player is not dribbling while slapping the ball during a jump, when a pass rebounds from his/her hand, when he/she fumbles, or when he/she bats a rebound or pass away from other players who are attempting to get it. The player is not in control under these conditions. It is a dribble when a player stands still and bounces the ball. It is not a dribble when a player stands still and holds the ball and touches it to the floor once or more than once.

4.15.1 SITUATION B: A1’s throw-in pass is beyond A2. (a) A2 reaches out and slaps the ball toward A’s basket; or (b) A2 muffs the pass. In both situations. A2 then gains control and dribbles to the basket and scores. RULING: No violation in either (a) or (b).

[Rich]

Originally Posted by ChuckS

I looked in the HS rules and did not find these quoted words, nor did I find any rules governing how it would be legal to bobble the ball while moving.

On the other hand, how can someone travel without player possession?

When I watched this live, I noticed the bobble. While I'm not sure it removes traveling from the play, it does affect the timing of possession and potentially the timing of the establishing of the pivot foot. In other words, it becomes a lot harder to be 100% sure you're correct.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

On the other hand, how can someone travel without player possession?

NFHS 4-12-1: A player is in control of the ball when he/she is holding or dribbling a live ball.

Since one can't travel when dribbling, one can only travel when one has possession, or control, of the ball while holding the ball.

NFHS 4-44: Traveling is moving a foot or feet in any direction in excess of prescribed limits while holding the ball.

What's holding?

[ChuckS]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

What's holding?

No definition for HOLDING...but we have a definition for RULE. Very helpful.