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Old Wed Feb 09, 2011, 08:05am
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Link: YouTube - Larriques Cunningham 2-handed dunkface over defender

Question - player catches ball lands on right foot, jumps lands on left then right. Travel? OR would you consider the left / right landing at the same time as in a jump stop.

Not asking if you would call it in this setting, only using the play to discuss the travel.
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Old Wed Feb 09, 2011, 08:21am
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Link: YouTube - Larriques Cunningham 2-handed dunkface over defender

Question - player catches ball lands on right foot, jumps lands on left then right. Travel? OR would you consider the left / right landing at the same time as in a jump stop.

Not asking if you would call it in this setting, only using the play to discuss the travel.
White 23 catches the ball with his left foot on the ground just inside the 3 point lines, and the right foot in the air, behind the body, in the "space" beyond the 3-point lines. He then steps with the right foot (legal) and lifts (legal) and returns (illegal) the left foot to the ground.

So, yes, this is traveling.
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Old Wed Feb 09, 2011, 08:25am
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I had him catching the ball in the air then landing on right foot. My sequence went: Right then left / right.
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Old Wed Feb 09, 2011, 08:29am
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Question - player catches ball lands on right foot, jumps lands on left then right. Travel? OR would you consider the left / right landing at the same time as in a jump stop.
To be this kind of jump stop, the player must land on both feet simultaneously. You might give some >verysmall< allowance, but nothing approaching a 1-2 count. So, as described, travel. (I didn't watch the video)
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Old Wed Feb 09, 2011, 08:51am
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To be this kind of jump stop, the player must land on both feet simultaneously. You might give some >verysmall< allowance, but nothing approaching a 1-2 count. So, as described, travel. (I didn't watch the video)
This "very small" allowance is what we learned at provincial camp as well.

OP: I looked at the video again based on your assertion and I did see the action you are talking about. As Bob said, the right foot needs to come down _much_ earlier than it did.

In fact, with the right foot he did the little "extend-a-step" when he was about to put it down to the floor, but then extended it further towards the key.
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Old Fri Feb 11, 2011, 10:33am
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you could call a travel or an offensive foul if you wanted to...I think the trafvel is the better call on this play.
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Old Fri Feb 11, 2011, 11:04am
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Thre is not on offensive foul on this play...I think he actually jumps over the defender...this is a men's college game...they are not going to call that travel.
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Old Fri Feb 11, 2011, 11:09am
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there IS contact on a defender that has LGP, but since this is one of the two best plays in basketball (dunk & blocked shot), I'm giving him a little extra leeway on the charge....IF i have a whistle it would be for traveling....
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Old Fri Feb 11, 2011, 11:12am
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That's not an offensive foul at the college level. In fact, I'd be hard pressed to call that in a high school game. To me, the contact did not raise to the level of a foul. Besides the travel, it was a kid being put on a poster.
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That's not an offensive foul at the college level. In fact, I'd be hard pressed to call that in a high school game. To me, the contact did not raise to the level of a foul. Besides the travel, it was a kid being put on a poster.
Totally agree...if you watch closely the defender actually chest up to the offensive player...he didn't not "play through" the defensive player.
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That's not an offensive foul at the college level. In fact, I'd be hard pressed to call that in a high school game. To me, the contact did not raise to the level of a foul. Besides the travel, it was a kid being put on a poster.
Agreed. It didn't even enter my mind to go with a PC.
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That's not an offensive foul at the college level. In fact, I'd be hard pressed to call that in a high school game. To me, the contact did not raise to the level of a foul. Besides the travel, it was a kid being put on a poster.
I agree. Many times (myself included) when we know that there is going to be a "big finish" by a kid getting his feet aligned for a dunk, we are a little more "passive" to call a travel in this situation. I know I am. Especially at the collegiate level when that kind of a travel is overlooked constantly. Just watch the games today and look for yourself.
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I agree. Many times (myself included) when we know that there is going to be a "big finish" by a kid getting his feet aligned for a dunk, we are a little more "passive" to call a travel in this situation. I know I am. Especially at the collegiate level when that kind of a travel is overlooked constantly. Just watch the games today and look for yourself.
Pretty play = ignore the violation

Personally, I don't like it, but it happens all the time.
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Old Sat Feb 12, 2011, 01:44pm
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I'm just trying not to jump and cheer on this play. No PC foul on htis either. If there was enough contact to call that, the player would have never made it to the rim.
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I'm just trying not to jump and cheer on this play. No PC foul on htis either. If there was enough contact to call that, the player would have never made it to the rim.
That is about the best way I could put it.

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