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Old Sat Jan 11, 2025, 05:53pm
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That ruling has never, as far as I know, been in doubt. It's not the same as the test question that has / had you so worked up.
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That ruling has never, as far as I know, been in doubt. It's not the same as the test question that ... had you so worked up.
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26) B-1 fouls A-1, committing their fifth personal foul. While waiting for B-1’s replacement, A-6 and A-7 approach the table to enter the game. The official denies their entry, stating that A-6 and A-7 must wait and enter with B-1’s replacement. Was the official correct?
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Play #4: In the 4th quarter, A2 is called for their 5th personal foul and is disqualified from the game. B6 and B7 were already at the table when the foul was called. After the official beckons A6 in to replace A2, they tell B6 and B7 they must remain at the table until after the first free throw. Is the official correct?
There's an interpretation difference between "approach(ing) the table" and "already at the table"?
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There's an interpretation difference between "approach(ing) the table" and "already at the table"?
bob jenkins: Now I see another difference, the "first free throw" restriction.
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Old Mon Jan 13, 2025, 08:12am
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Bottom line: Assuming the coach takes the entirety of his allotted fifteen seconds to replace the disqualified player, what substitutes are allowed, or not allowed, to enter during that fifteen second time frame before the required replacement?

Nobody? Those on the X? Those on the way to the X?
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There's an interpretation difference between "approach(ing) the table" and "already at the table"?
You seem to be focused too much on the action of Team B (with the subs) and not the actions of Team A (with the DQ player).

In both the test question and play#4, B has playes at the table before A has the replacement ready. In the test question, the official makes those players wait until the replacement is ready. In play #4, the officil makes the players wait even BEYOND the replacement until the next FT (the normal opportunity to substitute).

The issue is: When can the subs enter? Before the official notifies the player / coach and starts the timer? (We all agree this is NO, I think). While we are waiting for the replacement to come to the table? (the controversy). Along with the replacement after s/he has reported? (we all agree this is YES, I think) After the first FT? (question #4 and we all agree this is NO, I think).

IAABO m9ight also make some distinction between subs who are at the table before the replacement or those who are on their way, or those who come a bit later. For me, I'm treating it just as we do during most sub situations -- here, that generally means allowing the sub. The play is already stopped / delayed, so get all the subs in and (potentially) avoid delaying the game again at the next clock stoppage.
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Old Mon Jan 13, 2025, 12:38pm
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In both the test question and play#4, B has players at the table before A has the replacement ready. In the test question, the official makes those players wait until the replacement is ready. In play #4, the official makes the players wait even BEYOND the replacement until the next FT (the normal opportunity to substitute). The issue is: When can the subs enter? Before the official notifies the player/coach and starts the timer? (We all agree this is NO, I think). While we are waiting for the replacement to come to the table? (the controversy). Along with the replacement after s/he has reported? (we all agree this is YES, I think). After the first FT? (question #4 and we all agree this is NO, I think). IAABO might also make some distinction between subs who are at the table before the replacement or those who are on their way, or those who come a bit later. For me, I'm treating it just as we do during most sub situations, here, that generally means allowing the sub. The play is already stopped/delayed, so get all the subs in and (potentially) avoid delaying the game again at the next clock stoppage.
A very well thought out, rational, and wise interpretation.
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