Disqualification Substitutes ...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

The Rules Change did not change the fact that a Disqualified Player must be Substituted for immediately ... but has been very cavalier in how it should be done. The protocol has always been based upon the position that other Substitutes Beckoned/TO Requests Granted/FTs Attempted cannot take place until a Substitute for B5 has Reported to the Scorer.

Immediately?

Use to be 30 seconds, then 20 seconds, and now 15 seconds, but never "immediately".

Agree with "TO Requests Granted" (5-8-3) and "FTs Attempted" (3-1-1).

Disagree with "other Substitutes Beckoned".

In almost all cases (except after the warning horn during a time out, or between multiple free throws (except for new 3-3-1-C-Note)) we can’t deny an eligible (sat a tick, not disqualified, etc.) substitution during a dead ball stopped clock situation, even after a live ball whistle to prevent a substitute from entering when they shouldn't come in.

3-3-1-D: If entry is at any time other than between quarters, and a substitute who is entitled and ready to enter reports to the scorer, the scorer must use a sounding device or game horn, if, or as soon as, the ball is dead and the clock is stopped.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Immediately?

Use to be 30 seconds, then 20 seconds, and now 15 seconds, but never "immediately".[/I]

It was either a state adoption or a "trial rule" for a couple of years -- we used it in IL and had no issues with it (although Ican see someone being too strict on "immediately.")

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I can see someone being too strict on "immediately."

Back in ancient times, when it was 30 seconds, I had a veteran "old school" partner charge a technical foul to the head coach the instant the final disqualification period horn sounded with no replacement at the table. My partner had had it up to his eyeballs with this coach the entire game and was just looking for a reason to T him up.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Immediately?

Use to be 30 seconds, then 20 seconds, and now 15 seconds, but never "immediately".

Agree with "TO Requests Granted" (5-8-3) and "FTs Attempted" (3-1-1).

Disagree with "other Substitutes Beckoned".

In almost all cases (except after the warning horn during a time out, or between multiple free throws (except for new 3-3-1-C-Note)) we can’t deny an eligible (sat a tick, not disqualified, etc.) substitution during a dead ball stopped clock situation, even after a live ball whistle to prevent a substitute from entering when they shouldn't come in.

3-3-1-D: If entry is at any time other than between quarters, and a substitute who is entitled and ready to enter reports to the scorer, the scorer must use a sounding device or game horn, if, or as soon as, the ball is dead and the clock is stopped.

Bill:

See my EDIT of Dec. 20/Fri.(02:35pmEST), 2024.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

See my EDIT of Dec. 20/Fri.(02:35pmEST), 2024.

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

The word immediately was a not the most accurate word to use. The Rule that was adopted is to make the HC replace the Disqualified Player in a timely manner and not use the time allotted as an "uncharged" TO.

Fully agree.

But I still believe, as IAABO does, that even though it's not a real timeout, the ball is dead and the clock is stopped, and the officials can beckon any substitutes that were (are) at the X before or after the fifth foul was reported and can be beckoned into the game at any time before the disqualified replacement procedure is completed, even if such substitutions are before or between multiple free throws (by new rule 3-3-1-C-Note).

We've may have up to fifteen dead ball stopped clock seconds, letting them all in will not slow down the game.

[BillyMac]

News update from today. It's not NFHS. It may not be for the entire IAABO universe. Possibly just for Connecticut.

Play #4: In the 4th quarter, A2 is called for their 5th personal foul
and is disqualified from the game. B6 and B7 were already at the
table when the foul was called. After the official beckons A6 in to
replace A2, they tell B6 and B7 they must remain at the table until
after the first free throw. Is the official, correct?
Answer: No, the official is not correct. If a disqualified player
needs to be replaced, this is an opportunity for both teams to
substitute and any player may enter the game. (IAABO Rules
Guide 3:3:1 Exception)