Team Control Player Control Difference ...

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Agree. Practical was poor word choice.

Bottom line: All player control fouls are not necessarily also team control fouls.

and vice versa.

Used to be a difference, but now in both the throw-in and FT sections the phrases "PC foul" and TC foul" are used one right after the other to show that they have the same penalty.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

... they have the same penalty.

No free throws.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

... and vice versa.

All team control fouls are not necessarily also player control fouls.

4-19-7: A team-control foul is a common foul committed ... by a member of the throw-in team from the start of the throw-in until player control is obtained inbounds.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

All team control fouls are not necessarily also player control fouls.

4-19-7: A team-control foul is a common foul committed ... by a member of the throw-in team from the start of the throw-in until player control is obtained inbounds.

... and, of course, the most common type of team control foul we call, illegal screens.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

the difference used to be that a goal could be scored on a player control foul if the try had been released prior to contact and the foul was therefore by an airborne shooter,

Originally Posted by BillyMac

"Count the basket" player control foul on one end, then walk down to the other end to shoot bonus free throws.

I'm pretty sure that when I started working HS ball, we were using the current player control foul rule. So no FT, even the try had been released by the shooter. But in NCAA, we still used the old rule. So having said that. . .

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but the whole reason that you could shoot the FTs in this situation is that it was NOT a player control foul. Once the shooter released the ball, there was no player control. So it was a charge in a loose-ball situation. But not a player control foul.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I'm pretty sure that when I started working HS ball, we were using the current player control foul rule. So no FT, even the try had been released by the shooter. But in NCAA, we still used the old rule. So having said that. . .

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but the whole reason that you could shoot the FTs in this situation is that it was NOT a player control foul. Once the shooter released the ball, there was no player control. So it was a charge in a loose-ball situation. But not a player control foul.

I do not recall that rule. I do recall that if A2 set an illegal screen, B could shoot FTs if B was in the bonus.

They could have combined the categories when they went to the "no FTs for a TC foul" rule a dozen or so years ago.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

They could have combined the categories when they went to the "no FTs for a TC foul" rule a dozen or so years ago.

It was definitely much more than a dozen years ago when we stopped (NFHS) shooting bonus free throws (down on the other end of the court) for "charges" in which the ball had already been released (where the basket could actually count if the ball went in the basket).

It was way back in ancient times, possibly thirty-plus, maybe thirty-five-plus, years ago, way back in the Holocene geological epoch.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

... the try had been released by the shooter ... the whole reason that you could shoot the FTs in this situation is that it was NOT a player control foul. Once the shooter released the ball, there was no player control. So it was a charge in a loose-ball situation. But not a player control foul.

Bingo.