Running out of bounds to fool opponents

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

I've proposed the same thing.

I've even called this a violation (only seen it summer/travel ball) instead of the "correct" T because it's an absurd rule difference.

It's not a rule people know, not even coaches. I usually just tell a player "get in, get in" after a second or so and they oblige. If they are delaying, the don't know it's illegal - so hitting them with a T for it is excessively punitive.

This is similar to people not knowing that flopping, or "faking being fouled" in rulebook language, is a technical foul under NFHS rules (10-4-6-f).

I have seen and called flopping, but I have yet to see people not coming back inbounds after a throw-in.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

This is similar to people not knowing that flopping, or "faking being fouled" in rulebook language, is a technical foul under NFHS rules (10-4-6-f).

I have seen and called flopping, but I have yet to see people not coming back inbounds after a throw-in.

While it's true few people know this rule exists, and at risk of wading into a different issue, "flopping" and "faking being fouled" are distinctly different acts in practice.

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

While it's true few people know this rule exists, and at risk of wading into a different issue, "flopping" and "faking being fouled" are distinctly different acts in practice.

What is the difference? As far as I know, if a player falls down to try to draw a call, it is both faking being fouled and flopping.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

What is the difference? As far as I know, if a player falls down to try to draw a call, it is both faking being fouled and flopping.

I don't want to get into a semantic debate lol

That said, if the NFHS or IAABO wanted us to deem "flops" worthy of technical fouls, it would have been a point of emphasis at some point. They clearly do not, despite "flopping" being something both NCAA and NBA have attempted to address in the last decade.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

I don't want to get into a semantic debate lol

That said, if the NFHS or IAABO wanted us to deem "flops" worthy of technical fouls, it would have been a point of emphasis at some point. They clearly do not, despite "flopping" being something both NCAA and NBA have attempted to address in the last decade.

NCAA-Men's has done a good job of addressing it and defining it.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by Raymond

NCAA-Men's has done a good job of addressing it and defining it.

Other than the call essentially disappearing over the last month, I agree.

My point is that what is a "flop" in an NCAA game is different from "faking being fouled." If NFHS/IAABO deemed it necessary to address, they would make it a point of emphasis - and ideally, they'd give us a penalty less than a T to apply.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

Other than the call essentially disappearing over the last month, I agree.

My point is that what is a "flop" in an NCAA game is different from "faking being fouled." If NFHS/IAABO deemed it necessary to address, they would make it a point of emphasis - and ideally, they'd give us a penalty less than a T to apply.

They are the same to me. IMO, too many people confine the definition of flop to defenders on potential crash plays. Most flopping I see at the HS level is 3 point shooters throwing themselves to the ground--trying to fool the referee into calling a foul. Same with the head bob by ballhandlers and defenders who run into screens.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

I don't want to get into a semantic debate ...

A flop is when it's called.

Or is it vice versa?