running out of bounds, screen

lpbreeze · #1 (**permalink**) Sat Nov 03, 2007, 07:50pm

this goes to 9-3-3 C. I think it is a violation but in this case it is A going out of bounds instead of B. A-2 sets screen near end line for A-1 and A-1 uses screen and goes out of bounds. official says rules violation.

Is that right, if not then would A be ok going out of bounds along with B following?

JugglingReferee · #2 (**permalink**) Sat Nov 03, 2007, 07:56pm

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Originally Posted by lpbreeze

this goes to 9-3-3 C. I think it is a violation but in this case it is A going out of bounds instead of B. A-2 sets screen near end line for A-1 and A-1 uses screen and goes out of bounds. official says rules violation.

Is that right, if not then would A be ok going out of bounds along with B following?

Had this a few years ago in a tournament final. A-1 catches a pass when back IB and nails a 3. Haha - ya right. I killed the play before the swoosh and rang him up.

truerookie · #3 (**permalink**) Sat Nov 03, 2007, 07:59pm

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Originally Posted by lpbreeze

this goes to 9-3-3 C. I think it is a violation but in this case it is A going out of bounds instead of B. A-2 sets screen near end line for A-1 and A-1 uses screen and goes out of bounds. official says rules violation.

Is that right, if not then would A be ok going out of bounds along with B following?

Yes, calling the violation is the right thing to do here. It is not ok for either A or B to go out of bounds intentionally. It is a violation in both situations

lpbreeze · #4 (**permalink**) Sat Nov 03, 2007, 08:00pm

it also says as soon as A-1 steps out of bounds a violation is called. If there is a delay then it would be a violation for sure. I'm just not positive if you call it right away. I was leaning to yes it is a violation but now I can think of times when I ran out of bounds using a screen so I think it might be legal

lpbreeze · #5 (**permalink**) Sat Nov 03, 2007, 08:03pm

ok I didn't see your two posts.

So there are times when you can run out of bounds but in this case because A-1 in using the screen has to go out of bounds he is getting an advantage so a violation..

truerookie · #6 (**permalink**) Sat Nov 03, 2007, 08:03pm

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Originally Posted by lpbreeze

it also says as soon as A-1 steps out of bounds a violation is called. If there is a delay then it would be a violation for sure. I'm just not positive if you call it right away. I was leaning to yes it is a violation but now I can think of times when I ran out of bounds using a screen so I think it might be legal

In Fed's it is not legal for you to leave the court unauthorizedly.. I think:NCAA you can as long as you are not the first to touch the ball once you return to the court.

rainmaker · #7 (**permalink**) Sat Nov 03, 2007, 08:07pm

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Originally Posted by truerookie

In Fed's it is not legal for you to leave the court unauthorizedly.. I think:NCAA you can as long as you are not the first to touch the ball once you return to the court.

Around a screen???? I certainly hope you're wrong.

rainmaker · #8 (**permalink**) Sat Nov 03, 2007, 08:08pm

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Originally Posted by lpbreeze

ok I didn't see your two posts.

So there are times when you can run out of bounds but in this case because A-1 in using the screen has to go out of bounds he is getting an advantage so a violation..

Fed, you can go out of bounds when your momentum carries you, and you must come back in asap, and directly. You can't go oob intentionally to gain an advantage.

Jurassic Referee · #9 (**permalink**) Sat Nov 03, 2007, 08:08pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Had this a few years ago in a tournament final. A-1 catches a pass when back IB and nails a 3. Haha - ya right. I killed the play before the swoosh and rang him up.

You were right a few years ago. Now it's an immediate violation, not a technical foul.

JugglingReferee · #10 (**permalink**) Sat Nov 03, 2007, 08:13pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You were right a few years ago. Now it's an immediate violation, not a technical foul.

Yup. Do you think they changed it because they wanted more officials to call it?

rainmaker · #11 (**permalink**) Sat Nov 03, 2007, 08:21pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Yup. Do you think they changed it because they wanted more officials to call it?

That's the reason they gave.

Mark Dexter · #12 (**permalink**) Sat Nov 03, 2007, 09:28pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker

Around a screen???? I certainly hope you're wrong.

Legal.

9-4.1: A player who steps out of bounds under his/her own volition and then
becomes the first player to touch the ball after returning to the playing court
has committed a violation.

Jurassic Referee · #13 (**permalink**) Sun Nov 04, 2007, 01:08am

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Originally Posted by rainmaker

Around a screen???? I certainly hope you're wrong.

Case book play 9.3.3SitB says that he's right for FED.Were you referring to NCAA rules?

Nevadaref · #14 (**permalink**) Sun Nov 04, 2007, 03:30am

Because he's also correct about the NCAA rule as posted by Dexter.

rainmaker · #15 (**permalink**) Sun Nov 04, 2007, 03:01pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Case book play 9.3.3SitB says that he's right for FED.Were you referring to NCAA rules?

I knew that what he said about the Fed was correct. I'm surprised it's legal to step oob around a screen in NCAA. Or am I mis interpreting?

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