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Old Sat Nov 03, 2007, 07:50pm
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running out of bounds, screen

this goes to 9-3-3 C. I think it is a violation but in this case it is A going out of bounds instead of B. A-2 sets screen near end line for A-1 and A-1 uses screen and goes out of bounds. official says rules violation.

Is that right, if not then would A be ok going out of bounds along with B following?
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this goes to 9-3-3 C. I think it is a violation but in this case it is A going out of bounds instead of B. A-2 sets screen near end line for A-1 and A-1 uses screen and goes out of bounds. official says rules violation.

Is that right, if not then would A be ok going out of bounds along with B following?
Had this a few years ago in a tournament final. A-1 catches a pass when back IB and nails a 3. Haha - ya right. I killed the play before the swoosh and rang him up.
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Old Sat Nov 03, 2007, 07:59pm
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this goes to 9-3-3 C. I think it is a violation but in this case it is A going out of bounds instead of B. A-2 sets screen near end line for A-1 and A-1 uses screen and goes out of bounds. official says rules violation.

Is that right, if not then would A be ok going out of bounds along with B following?

Yes, calling the violation is the right thing to do here. It is not ok for either A or B to go out of bounds intentionally. It is a violation in both situations
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Old Sat Nov 03, 2007, 08:00pm
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it also says as soon as A-1 steps out of bounds a violation is called. If there is a delay then it would be a violation for sure. I'm just not positive if you call it right away. I was leaning to yes it is a violation but now I can think of times when I ran out of bounds using a screen so I think it might be legal
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ok I didn't see your two posts.

So there are times when you can run out of bounds but in this case because A-1 in using the screen has to go out of bounds he is getting an advantage so a violation..
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it also says as soon as A-1 steps out of bounds a violation is called. If there is a delay then it would be a violation for sure. I'm just not positive if you call it right away. I was leaning to yes it is a violation but now I can think of times when I ran out of bounds using a screen so I think it might be legal
In Fed's it is not legal for you to leave the court unauthorizedly.. I think:NCAA you can as long as you are not the first to touch the ball once you return to the court.
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In Fed's it is not legal for you to leave the court unauthorizedly.. I think:NCAA you can as long as you are not the first to touch the ball once you return to the court.
Around a screen???? I certainly hope you're wrong.
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ok I didn't see your two posts.

So there are times when you can run out of bounds but in this case because A-1 in using the screen has to go out of bounds he is getting an advantage so a violation..
Fed, you can go out of bounds when your momentum carries you, and you must come back in asap, and directly. You can't go oob intentionally to gain an advantage.

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Had this a few years ago in a tournament final. A-1 catches a pass when back IB and nails a 3. Haha - ya right. I killed the play before the swoosh and rang him up.
You were right a few years ago. Now it's an immediate violation, not a technical foul.
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You were right a few years ago. Now it's an immediate violation, not a technical foul.
Yup. Do you think they changed it because they wanted more officials to call it?
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Yup. Do you think they changed it because they wanted more officials to call it?
That's the reason they gave.
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Old Sat Nov 03, 2007, 09:28pm
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Around a screen???? I certainly hope you're wrong.
Legal.

9-4.1: A player who steps out of bounds under his/her own volition and then
becomes the first player to touch the ball after returning to the playing court
has committed a violation.
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Around a screen???? I certainly hope you're wrong.
Case book play 9.3.3SitB says that he's right for FED.Were you referring to NCAA rules?

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Old Sun Nov 04, 2007, 03:30am
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Because he's also correct about the NCAA rule as posted by Dexter.
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Case book play 9.3.3SitB says that he's right for FED.Were you referring to NCAA rules?
I knew that what he said about the Fed was correct. I'm surprised it's legal to step oob around a screen in NCAA. Or am I mis interpreting?
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