Double T, shoot free throws?

[Coach Bill]

Two questions: Double technical was called, so:
1. why were the free throws shot, and
2. why was Norfolk given the ball at the division line?

No one from either team was ejected on the play.

[Raymond]

It's a 21 minute video. At what point do the technical fouls happen?

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[Raymond]

Found it at the 8-minute mark.

Since one of the two technical fouls was for dead ball contact, all free throws are shot. Anytime there is a dead ball contact technical, the offended team gets a throw-in.

The throw-in should have been in the back court at the spot of the infraction. NCAA Men's no longer does division line throw-ins for dead ball contact technical fouls

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[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Found it at the 8-minute mark.

Since one of the two technical fouls was for dead ball contact, all free throws are shot. Anytime there is a dead ball contact technical, the offended team gets a throw-in.

The throw-in should have been in the back court at the spot of the infraction. NCAA Men's no longer does division line throw-ins for dead ball contact technical fouls

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I tried to set up the video so when you click on it, it goes to 8:06 and runs for 40 seconds ish. That's what it does for me, not sure why its not working.
Also, do you have the rule #, I can look up?

[Raymond]

Rule 10 Section 3. Class A Unsporting Technical Infractions

Art 1.
e. Contacting an opponent, while the ball is dead, in an unnecessary, unacceptable and excessive manner.

PENALTY—Two free throws shall be awarded to any member of the offended team. No free throws shall be awarded for a double or simultaneous technical foul unless only one of the fouls is included in Art. 1.e through .k. Counts toward the team-foul total. Applies toward disqualification and ejection (Art. 1.a through .e).

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[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Found it at the 8-minute mark.

Since one of the two technical fouls was for dead ball contact, all free throws are shot. Anytime there is a dead ball contact technical, the offended team gets a throw-in.

The throw-in should have been in the back court at the spot of the infraction. NCAA Men's no longer does division line throw-ins for dead ball contact technical fouls

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Who's ball should it have been?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

Who's ball should it have been?

When there is a dead ball contact technical, the team that got offended. The Coppin State player pushed the Norfolk State player, so NSU got the ball.

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[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by Raymond

When there is a dead ball contact technical, the team that got offended. The Coppin State player pushed the Norfolk State player, so NSU got the ball.

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I disagree on that, based on this paragraph in the section you mentioned:

RESUMPTION OF PLAY—For any technical foul(s), play shall resume at the
point of interruption using the procedures in Rule 7-3.2, including for a
single flagrant 2 technical foul or a single contact dead ball technical foul
(Art. 1.e through .k).

[Multiple Sports]

Raymond give me a couple days...I'll get you an answer as to ball was put in at division line. Where you at the game??

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

I disagree on that, based on this paragraph in the section you mentioned:

RESUMPTION OF PLAY—For any technical foul(s), play shall resume at the
point of interruption using the procedures in Rule 7-3.2, including for a
single flagrant 2 technical foul or a single contact dead ball technical foul
(Art. 1.e through .k).

Also, disagree on shooting free throws, based on this:

h. When a double technical foul or any simultaneous foul occurs during
a stopped-clock period, all fouls shall be charged but no free throws
shall be awarded if the penalties are equal. Only the number of free
throws awarded shall be used to determine if the penalties are equal. If
the penalties are not equal, all free throws shall be administered. The
game shall resume at the point of interruption using the procedures
in Rule 7-3.2 unless one team has been awarded possession of the ball
as part of a penalty.


I've watched scores of college games this year. Saw several instances where one player is talking (taunting), the other player pushes him away. Never seen it not called double technical and go to POI.

[Raymond]

At one time the penalty was always a throw-in by the offended team for dead ball contact technicals, even if they were part of a double technical. Maybe that is no longer the case since the penalty is highlighted in blue in the rule book, indicating there was a change.

I missed about 23 months of officiating prior to this season (injured my knee in a college game around Thanksgiving 2019), so I might have missed a rule change in that regard.

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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

Also, disagree on shooting free throws, based on this:



h. When a double technical foul or any simultaneous foul occurs during

a stopped-clock period, all fouls shall be charged but no free throws

shall be awarded if the penalties are equal. Only the number of free

throws awarded shall be used to determine if the penalties are equal. If

the penalties are not equal, all free throws shall be administered. The

game shall resume at the point of interruption using the procedures

in Rule 7-3.2 unless one team has been awarded possession of the ball

as part of a penalty.





I've watched scores of college games this year. Saw several instances where one player is talking (taunting), the other player pushes him away. Never seen it not called double technical and go to POI.

What you posted from the personal foul section and what I posted from the class A technical section are contradictory. So you may disagree, but there is something in the rulebook currently that allows for shooting free throws if one of the technical fouls is dead ball contact.

I guess Art Hyland needs to clean that up.

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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Raymond give me a couple days...I'll get you an answer as to ball was put in at division line. Where you at the game??

No sir. Have never attended a MEAC tournament game. And since I'm retired now, I never will...LOL

I only attend games where I can get in for free.

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[JRutledge]

I am not convinced this was a double T. It looks like it could have been easily two different Ts. Meaning one involved action and the other involved dead ball contact. That means you would two different events. And you can say what you have seen, but that does not mean it was right or that it has to always be a double T. The acts are not the same under the rules. One is taunting and the other is a dead ball contact technical foul that has a different penalty (despite the flopping).

Peace

[JRutledge]

I went back and looked at this on ESPN Plus.

They gave the ball back to the Norfolk State at the division line and called a dead ball technical foul on Coppin State player for the push.

Now the broadcasters said it was a double technical, but you can see and hear the official report the information to the TV people and said it was a dead ball technical and that they were giving the ball to Norfolk State.

So that tells me that this was not a double technical, but two separate acts, which is why you shoot all the free throws. That being said, the ball should have gone to the end line, not the division line.

It took a long time to get to this conclusion as well. Seemed like there was either disagreement or not understanding of what was called. Because one of the officials was going to put the ball in play at the division line before they shot free thows. So they seemed to get to the right conclusion on the free throw, but not the placement of the ball on the throw-in. Both coaches were confused, mostly the Norfolk State coach.

Peace