The Most Misunderstood NFHS Basketball Rules ...

[Raymond]

The significance of being able to recover a fumbled ball is that it's not considered a dribble, therefore you wouldn't be committing an illegal dribble.

You can however fumble ball and commit a travel if you jump in the air, fumble the ball, and then retrieve the ball.

There is a difference between jumping in the air and purposely dropping the ball and jumping in the air and fumbling the ball.

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[BillyMac]

Thanks for your input Raymond. It's greatly appreciated.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

When an airborne shooter fumbles the ball (while still in the air) instead of releasing the ball on a try, unintentionally drops the ball, and then returns to the floor and secures possession of the ball, it’s ...

Originally Posted by Raymond

The significance of being able to recover a fumbled ball is that it's not considered a dribble, therefore you wouldn't be committing an illegal dribble. You can however fumble ball and commit a travel if you jump in the air, fumble the ball, and then retrieve the ball.

Makes sense. But doesn't one have to be holding a ball at the same time one illegally moves a pivot foot to travel?

Originally Posted by Raymond

There is a difference between jumping in the air and purposely dropping the ball and jumping in the air and fumbling the ball.

While the intent is certainly different, wouldn't you say that both of these are travel violations (based on your post above)?

Still waiting for that ah-ha moment that I almost always get from Raymond, and others, when I'm stymied. Not quite there.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

While the intent is certainly different, wouldn't you say that both of these are travel violations (based on your post above)?

Why would they be the same when one is literally done on purpose and the other is not? That is like saying any touching or tapping of the ball would be the same as a dribble even though you did not have control of the ball?

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Why would they be the same when one is literally done on purpose and the other is not?

I'm not saying this, I believe that Raymond is saying this.

In my opinion, an airborne player, seeing that his shot will probably be blocked, and dropping the ball on purpose and picking it up is a travel; while an airborne player fumbling the ball unintentionally can legally pick it up.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'm not saying this, I believe that Raymond is saying this.



In my opinion, a airborne player, seeing that his shot will probably be blocked, and dropping the ball on purpose and picking it up is a travel; while an airborne player fumbling the ball unintentionally can legally pick it up.

This is what I'm calling unless there's clear information against it.

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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'm not saying this, I believe that Raymond is saying this.

In my opinion, a airborne player, seeing that his shot will probably be blocked, and dropping the ball on purpose and picking it up is a travel; while an airborne player fumbling the ball unintentionally can legally pick it up.

My contention is that you do not have to pick up this part at all. If you have not started a dribble, this is illegal the minute you release the ball. If a player did a split foot travel we would not wait until they picked up the ball again.

Peace

[Raymond]

Do whatever you can explain.

I know anything I do, I can explain to a coach or my supervisors.

I don't worry about all these debates.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Do whatever you can explain.

My misunderstood rules list shouldn't have rules listed that I misunderstand.

The situation will remain deleted (for now).

Originally Posted by BillyMac

When an airborne shooter fumbles the ball (while still in the air) instead of releasing the ball on a try, unintentionally drops the ball, and then returns to the floor and secures possession of the ball, it’s ...

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In a real game, I'm allowing the fumble to be picked up ...

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'm basing this on two old adages, one can always pick up a fumble, and one has to be holding the ball to travel.

[BryanV21]

Dammit. That play is going to happen on Friday and I'm going to let it go, and I won't know if I did the right thing or not.

Oh well, it'll fit in with the other bad calls I make throughout the night.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Dammit. That play is going to happen on Friday and I'm going to let it go, and I won't know if I did the right thing or not.

Agree. For me it's no longer about getting the interpretation correct on my list, but it's now about getting the interpretation correct when it happens in my game.

[Raymond]

There are gaps and blind spots in the rules where differing interpretations can be justified.

Knowing how to explain one's particular interpretation requires communication skills and knowledge of the rule & case books.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

There are gaps and blind spots in the rules where differing interpretations can be justified.

Is Raymond saying that this situation may be one of those blind spots?

Originally Posted by BillyMac

When an airborne shooter fumbles the ball (while still in the air) instead of releasing the ball on a try, unintentionally drops the ball, and then returns to the floor and secures possession of the ball, it’s ...

... with differing evidence used to show that this situation could be legal, or illegal.

If that's what he is saying, then I can agree with him, and this controversial situation will remain off of my list.

Stupid NFHS.

[BillyMac]

If this happens in my next game, and I hope that it doesn't, I'm calling it like this:

Originally Posted by BillyMac

When an airborne shooter fumbles the ball (while still in the air) instead of releasing the ball on a try, unintentionally drops the ball, and then returns to the floor and secures possession of the ball, it’s ...

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In a real game, I'm allowing the fumble to be picked up ...

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'm basing this on two old adages, one can always pick up a fumble, and one has to be holding the ball to travel.

While old adages are certainly no substitute for rule or interpretation citations, fumbles are probably covered by purpose and intent.