Closely Guarded ...

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

that the closely guarded count must be terminated when the offensive player gets head and shoulders past the defensive player.

Is that true? I don't have my books handy -- I remember something along the lines of "the defense bears the greater responsibility for contact when the offensive player gets head and shoulders past the defender", but I don't recall the specific wording on terminating the count.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Is that true? I don't have my books handy -- I remember something along the lines of "the defense bears the greater responsibility for contact when the offensive player gets head and shoulders past the defender", but I don't recall the specific wording on terminating the count.

Rule 4-10 states the count is terminated when head and shoulder are beyond the defender.

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[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Rule 4-10 states the count is terminated when head and shoulder are beyond the defender.

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Yes...a defender isn't guarding if they are not in the path of an opponent (by the definition of guarding). Thus, a player no longer in the path is not guarding and, by extension, no longer closely guarding.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Rule 4-10 states the count is terminated when head and shoulder are beyond the defender.

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Yes...a defender isn't guarding if they are not in the path of an opponent (by the definition of guarding). Thus, a player no longer in the path is not guarding and, by extension, no longer closely guarding.

Thanks -- found it this morning. Not quite sure what I was thinkiing

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Yes...a defender isn't guarding if they are not in the path of an opponent (by the definition of guarding). Thus, a player no longer in the path is not guarding and, by extension, no longer closely guarding.

Great point.

4-23: Guarding is the act of legally placing the body in the path of an offensive opponent.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... in both cases, the ball handler ends up closer to the basket than the defender ...

Terminate the count.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Is that true ... I don't recall the specific wording on terminating the count.

4-10: ... A closely guarded count must be terminated when the offensive player in control of the ball gets his/her head and shoulders past the defensive player.