Block/Charge ...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

His crew is not going to know WHY. Might be hard to believe, but they (folks in the NBA pipeline) focus on WHAT the uniform/equipment rules are and HOW to enforce them. They save their WHY's and HOW COME's for play-calling discussions, such as the actual topic of this thread.

They will certainly have more insight into my questions than I would, even if it's just based on an NBA referee informal around the water cooler discussion.

Many of us know why many of the rules that we use exist (intent and purpose). Why not the same for the NBA guys, especially the curious ones.

I know why the NFHS has it's undershirt rule, to allow officials to easily identify players on each team during fast paced action.

Raymond is correct, I did turn the topic a little sideways (heading toward NBA differences), and apologize it I have distracted from the purpose of my own thread.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

They will certainly have more insight into my questions than I would, even if it's just based on an NBA referee around the water cooler discussion.

As usual, the point goes completely above your head. What insight are you looking for? They care about the WHY's of PLAY-CALLING. Referees at that level and aspiring for that level don't sit around talking about uniforms; when standing around a water cooler they discuss PLAY-CALLING.

WTH would an up-and-coming NBA official care about HOW COME the NBA has a certain uniform/equipment rule? Pestering somebody about that will guarantee a shortened career at that level.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

They will certainly have more insight into my questions than I would, even if it's just based on an NBA referee informal around the water cooler discussion.

Many of us know why the rules that we use exist (intent and purpose). Why not the same for the NBA guys, especially the curious ones.

I am sure they know but they probably do not obsess about it. Pro players are not worried about everyone looking the same. That is obvious unless you really are not paying attention. All that matters is the jersey and can it be seen. Even our rules with the NF are often unnecessary. Who cares if the arm sleeve matches the damn jersey. Does this prevent you from calling a foul?

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am sure they know but they probably do not obsess about it. Pro players are not worried about everyone looking the same. That is obvious unless you really are not paying attention. All that matters is the jersey and can it be seen. Even our rules with the NF are often unnecessary. Who cares if the arm sleeve matches the damn jersey. Does this prevent you from calling a foul?

Peace

I am friends with both of JUSATCOACH's sons and his nephew. I've been around them for plenty of conversations. For some strange reason, I've never heard why any level they worked had a certain uniform rule. What they do discuss is the proper enforcement of said rules so they can move on to more relevant officiating conversations.

Billy posts a great discussion play where respected officials have their own differing opinions on the play, yet he is obsessing about the NBA's undergarment rule.....SMFH.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I am friends with both of JUSATCOACH's sons and his nephew. I've been around them for plenty of conversations. For some strange reason, I've never heard why any level they worked had a certain uniform rule. What they do discuss is the proper enforcement of said rules so they can move on to more relevant officiating conversations.

Billy posts a great discussion play where respected officials have their own differing opinions on the play, yet he is obsessing about the NBA's undergarment rule.....SMFH.

He does that with a lot of topics. Takes the thing off topic about something no one but him seems to care about. I work football and did baseball for years before retiring and many things were different from the NF level to the other levels. It is how it works and there are many more rules differences in football than anyone could ever imagine here. If you obsessed over those rules, you would drive yourself crazy. We just try to in football know that the rule is different so we can apply it properly. Billy has too much damn time on his hands and so do I talking about it. LOL!!!

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Billy has too much damn time on his hands and so do I talking about it.

True. I've never met JRutledge, and have had no contact with him other than the Forum, but always considered him too young to be retired. He did once mention (showing his pride) that his parents were active in the civil rights movement of the past century so he may be older than I believe him to be.

Come to think of it, there are some regular Forum posters that seem to be able to post throughout the day, like me. Have we become a forum of retirees?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

True. I've never met JRutledge, and have had no contact with him other than the Forum, but always considered him too young to be retired. He did once mention that his parents were active in the civil rights movement of the past century so he may be older than I believe him to be.

Come to think of it, there are some regular Forum posters that seem to be able to post all day like me. Have we become a forum of retirees?

I am likely older than you think but that has nothing to do with the last paragraph.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

JRutledge ... did once mention (showing his pride) that his parents were active in the civil rights movement of the past century ...

I found it. Greatest JRutledge post ever on the Forum. A very rare peek into his private life outside of basketball. One can read the pride he has in his Mom and Dad, as he certainly should. I'm proud of them and I don't even know them.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have been in several games where people did not celebrate the Anthem in several different ways. For one many people in certain places do not stand or put their hand over their heart. So if I got upset every time someone did not do something they were supposed to based on the standards of this practice, then I would have done something long time ago. Now I have been involved in games where some kind of "protest" has taken place in both football and basketball. My father is buried in a Veteran Cemetery and I grew up respecting this flag, but I had a mother that was in the Civil Rights Movement where she was in a lawsuit for discrimination when they segregated a school in Florida. So I want this country to uphold the standards they have set. And protest is supposed to be uncomfortable and supposed to draw attention ... But it is not my place to tell those what to do personally with their politics outside of the game. I am also a person that officiated both a football and basketball game at a school whose mascot was the "Rebel Flag" and as an African-American who is deeply offended by that flag ...

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

True. I've never met JRutledge, and have had no contact with him other than the Forum, but always considered him too young to be retired. He did once mention (showing his pride) that his parents were active in the civil rights movement of the past century so he may be older than I believe him to be.

Come to think of it, there are some regular Forum posters that seem to be able to post throughout the day, like me. Have we become a forum of retirees?

I'm retired, retired military. In 5 years, I'll add another retiree tag to my shingle after 21 years of federal civil service. I'm old enough that I was directly affected by Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1. I'm young enough that I can hold my own in talking sh!t about music, sports, and pop culture with Airmen who graduated high school during the Trump presidency.

I can post throughout the day because I work in I.T. and often have downtime while waiting for something to finish.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I am friends with both of JUSATCOACH's sons and his nephew. I've been around them for plenty of conversations.

While not anywhere near the same degree of friendship as Raymond, I am also a friend of justacoach, which is why I thought that I could ask him such a non-serious question.

Originally Posted by Raymond

... he is obsessing about the NBA's undergarment rule ...

C'mon Raymond. Certainly you can tell the difference between obsession and curiosity.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

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C'mon Raymond. Certainly you can tell the difference between obsession and curiosity.

Your word count on the block/charge vs. your word count on the undergarment reveal the difference.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Your word count on the block/charge vs. your word count on the undergarment reveals the difference.

Great observation, and quite true. I'm always hesitant to post on levels outside of the NFHS.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Great observation, and quite true. I'm always hesitant to post on levels outside of the NFHS.

Plays are plays. Discuss it at your level.

The NBA has employees who monitor social media. You are not going see any opinions on NBA plays on social media by officials in the NBA pipeline. There were a couple of NBA vets on Facebook who would occasionally explain why certain plays were called a certain way, but I've noticed that has tailed off recently.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am sure they know but they probably do not obsess about it.

Thank you.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

All that matters is the jersey ..

Speaking of jerseys, for you baseball purists out there, if you haven't heard already, prepare yourself for a "uniform abomination" at tonight's Major League Baseball All Star Game.