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Old Thu May 13, 2021, 01:28pm
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but for example if you gave a T for a uniform infraction for example that was just making a player unable to play, then the NF did not care about that application and kept the state as a full member. So we will see moving forward.

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It was my understanding that the technical for a uniform infraction was an authorized experiment for one or more states.
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Old Thu May 13, 2021, 02:12pm
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It was my understanding that the technical for a uniform infraction was an authorized experiment for one or more states.
My point is I was told that if a state went to a rule that was stricter than the NF, they were fine being a member. If a state relaxed or decided not to enforce a rule, then they were subject to losing voter membership. Not sure if that is totally true but an IHSA Administrator said that in a meeting once so that was the impression I was given. But I am not sure if using a 30 second clock as opposed to a 35 second clock would make much of a difference in this area.

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Old Fri May 14, 2021, 11:30am
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Shot Clock

I am a purest, which means I am against a Shot Clock at any level: NFHS, NCAA Men's and Women's, NBA and WNBA, and FIBA.

That said, my 46 years officiating included 34 years officiating games that utilized a Shot Clock: 34 years (women's college: AIAW, NCAA, NAIA, NJCAA), 15 years (men's jr. college: NCAA Div. III junior varsity and NJCAA), 2 years (girls' H.S. in California: CIF), and 10 years (USA Basketball, FIBA Rules) and I never had a problem officiaiting a game in which a Shot Clock was used.

I just do not see the need for a Shot Clock for basketball below the college level. High school coaches cannot recruit (I know, I know, but that is a discussion for another time.); they are, for the most part dependent upon the quaility of the students that reside in their school district and the ability to control the Ball is an factor that can level the playing field. I think that a Shot Clock at the high school level is a solution in search of a problem.

Just my two cents.

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Old Fri May 14, 2021, 12:08pm
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... dependent upon the quality of the students that reside in their school district and the ability to control the ball is a factor that can level the playing field ...
Agree. Gives athletically disadvantaged teams who may be coached to play a little more conservative at least a chance to be competitive.

More than one way to skin a cat, more than one way win a basketball game.

Who died and became the king of basketball and decided that the bigger, taller, faster, great defense, great ball handling, great shooting, longer bench team is supposed to win 100% of the time.

Shouldn't good coaching, players wanting to learn to win, and "basketball smarts" play some role in possibly winning a game?

As a former player, a former coach, and a current official, I have never been bored by slow down "chess game" basketball.
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Old Fri May 14, 2021, 12:13pm
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The most athletic teams I see in high school are often not waiting to shoot the ball at the time it would take the shot clock to expire. If they are so talented, they take the shots when they can. Nothing requires you to wait until the shot clock is over and many teams even at the college ranks never wait to shoot the ball based on the shot clock. Now that being said I could take it or leave it. I am more concerned about the constant mistakes made with the shot clock. I do not think the game is going to change that much but we have something else to officiate. Otherwise all levels use a shot clock except high school, it is not going to be that big of an adjustment if you ask me for many teams. Of course some will not be able to take good shots, but that was the case anyway.

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Old Fri May 14, 2021, 12:21pm
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I am more concerned about the constant mistakes made with the shot clock ... we have something else to officiate.
Agree. We use a shot clock with Connecticut boys and girls private prep school varsity games and there's almost always some type of a problem, usually human error.
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Old Fri May 14, 2021, 12:33pm
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Agree. We use a shot clock with boys and girls private prep school varsity games and there's almost always some type of a problem, usually human error.
There is a problem at the major college level with the shot clock. Replay usually fixes it and we will not likely have that to correct that situation. But mistakes are common at the small college level. Not all the time but enough it can be annoying at times. We will have to be better officials with the clock for sure. That might be the good thing with this change.

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