Fun With A Drive To The Hoop ...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

He did not stop his dribble with both feet in the air. He stopped his dribble with the left foot on the floor and landed on both feet as close to simultaneously as you can. After that, he has traveled if he picks up and puts down either foot.

Hard to see, but you saw it, and I believe it.

I like your citation, it's different than mine, but yours, unlike mine, is the correct citation.

4-44-2-B: A player who catches the ball while moving or dribbling may stop and establish a pivot foot as follows: If one foot is on the floor: It is the pivot when the other foot touches in a step. The player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both. Neither foot can be a pivot in this case.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

However, in this video it’s very difficult to determine if the ball handler had his right foot on the floor when he first catches the ball. If his right foot was on the floor when he caught the ball, that would be his pivot foot, and it was lifted, and returned to the floor, before the ball was released on a pass, or try for goal, thus illegal, and a travel violation.

My alternate (hard to see) illegal call was correct, but for the wrong reason.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

4-44-2-B: A player who catches the ball while moving or dribbling may stop and establish a pivot foot as follows: If one foot is on the floor: It is the pivot when the other foot touches in a step. The player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both. Neither foot can be a pivot in this case.

It was over forty years ago, but I can remember it like it happened yesterday, my training classes with my first local interpreter (first of four over forty years). Held in a college classroom, he was trying to demonstrate all the various permutations of legal jump stops, gathering and holding a ball while moving between rows of desks, like he was demonstrating dance moves. A tall guy, he was very awkward, and I doubt that he was a very good dancer. Like me, he was probably such a poor ball handler in high school that he was seldom allowed to dribble the ball unless he was in the lane near the basket. Former point guards should be demonstrating legal jump stops to rookie officials.

I was so young, so innocent, so filled with hope and anticipation, so naive.

[BillyMac]

While many may disagree with me, I say that traveling is the most difficult call for any basketball official to make, not block/charge, not basket interference/goaltending, not illegal screens, not verticality, not reboundng fouls, not continuation/act of shooting, not out of bounds, not dealing with coaches; it's traveling.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

While many may disagree with me, I say that traveling is the most difficult call for any basketball official to make, not block/charge, not illegal screens, not verticality, not reboundng fouls, not continuation/act of shooting, not out of bounds, not dealing with coaches; it's traveling.

Basket interference/goaltending is the most difficult because we don’t have the proper viewpoint from which to judge this action. We need to be up high, but are on the floor with the players.

Traveling would be my #2 because of how quick the feet move and the need to also see where the ball is at particular moments. Note that we often get screened from viewing the ball by a player’s body—offense or defense.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Basket interference/goaltending is the most difficult because we don’t have the proper viewpoint from which to judge this action. We need to be up high, but are on the floor with the players.

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I agree with this. I rarely look when folks post videos concerning GT/BI because there is really nothing to be learned.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Basket interference/goaltending is the most difficult because we don’t have the proper viewpoint from which to judge this action.

Good point, I disagree, but if I were to agree with Nevadaref, for me, it would be a slightly different reason.

We officiate a lot of small school rural and suburban high school games here in my little corner of Connecticut, with much of the game played below the rim (half of our games are girls games), meaning we don't get a lot of experience calling basket interference/goaltending and these plays often happen in a surprising unexpected "got'cha" manner (I say to myself, shit, what just happened).

When a shot goes up, we little corner of Connecticut guys think horses, not zebras, probably making these basket interference/goaltending calls more difficult than they really should be (makes the easy look difficult).

While I've had many, many opportunities to call basket interference in my high school games over the years, I've actually only called a single goaltending violation in over forty years, and have thought about and passed on possible goaltending plays that I could count on the fingers of only two hands.

[BillyMac]

Disclaimer: Below is not a NFHS interpretation, it's only an IAABO interpretation which obviously doesn't mean a hill of beans to most members of this Forum

https://storage.googleapis.com/refqu...HLJAbBX8Sb.mp4

IAABO Play Commentary

Correct Answer: This is a legal jump stop.

Both answers are correct. This a legal jump stop, followed by a traveling violation when the player takes a step.

If a player ends a dribbler with one foot is on the floor, the player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both. Neither foot can be a pivot in this case. (4-44-2.b.2)

In this play, the player ends the dribble with his right foot on the floor and jumps to two feet. This is a jump stop. However, the ball handler lifts his right foot and places it back to the floor before releasing the ball on a pass, which is a traveling violation. (4-44-3.a) Had he released the ball before the foot had returned to the floor, it would have been a legal play.

Here is the breakdown of the IAABO members that commented on the video: This is an illegal jump stop and should have been ruled a traveling violation 56%. This is a legal jump stop 44% (including me).

[Camron Rust]

This is a bad question. As has been pointed out, it has two correct answers depending on which part of the play/move you're asking about.

Yes, the jump stop was legal, but he then traveled.