Air Ball Free Throw ...

[BillyMac]

High school rules.

How many of us sound our whistle for every free throw air ball violation? Or do some us only sound our whistle for air ball free throw violations when there will be rebounders (i.e., not for the first of two, or not for a technical foul free throw as in the video)? If so, why not for every free throw air ball violation (it is a violation)? Not to embarrass the free throw shooter more than he already is? After all, the scorekeeper and everybody else in the gym knows that the airball free throw was definitely unsuccessful so no whistle is needed (although it's probably required).

Another free throw whistle question.

How many of us sound our whistle before a free throw following a timeout (as we do before a throwin following a timeout, or intermission)?

For me, I only whistle air ball free throw violations when there will be rebounders; and I almost never whistle before a free throw following a timeout. Right or wrong, this (both) is what most of us do here in my little corner of Connecticut.

[Mike Goodwin]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Another free throw whistle question.

How many of us sound our whistle before a free throw following a timeout (as we do before a throwin following a timeout, or intermission)?

For me, I only whistle air ball free throw violations when there will be rebounders; and I never whistle before a free throw following a timeout. Right or wrong, this (both) is what most of us do here in my little corner of Connecticut.

I sound the whistle each time there are free throws following a timeout, as it isn't different than a throw-in. There may be music playing or other activity occurring and the whistle brings everyone's attention back to the game.

The IAABO manual shows this on pages 91 & 218. The Federation manual doesn't explicitly state this, instead only referring to the succeeding throw-in to resume play.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mike Goodwin

I sound the whistle each time there are free throws following a timeout, as it isn't different than a throw-in. There may be music playing or other activity occurring and the whistle brings everyone's attention back to the game. The IAABO manual shows this on pages 91 & 218.

Thanks for the citation Mike Goodwin.

I know that we're wrong, I understand the rationale, and we were actually reminded to do this a few years ago by our local interpreter, but old habits die hard.

All of my local guys would sound their whistle if there was music still playing, or if there were cheerleaders still on the court, but most probably not at other times.

Originally Posted by Mike Goodwin

The Federation manual doesn't explicitly state this, instead only referring to the succeeding throw-in to resume play.

Maybe this why many of my local colleagues, including me, are reluctant to do this.

Older, more experienced officials, like me, on my local board were taught and used NFHS mechanics before switching to IAABO mechanics.

[Mike Goodwin]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Older, more experienced officials, like me, on my local board were taught and used NFHS mechanics before switching to IAABO mechanics.

Funnily enough, I was brought up on IAABO mechanics starting in 1985 (also making me old), but I don't distinctly remember sounding the whistle before free throw(s) following a time-out until I "discovered" it in the manual in 2016 or 2017. Older manuals didn't specifically state it before then (though my library is far less complete than that of MTD, Sr.).

Originally Posted by BillyMac

All of my local guys would sound their whistle if there was music still playing, or if there were cheerleaders still on the court, but most probably not at other times.

Ah, so it isn't quite an 'old dog, new trick' thing!

[ilyazhito]

I was an IAABO cadet in 2015, so my first edition of the manual was the 2015-16 one. I believe it had blowing the whistle after a timeout before a free throw in it. Because it is in the IAABO manual, I blow my whistle after a timeout and before a free throw attempt as Lead (because I am the administering official). I also blow the whistle on all airball free throws and free throws that hit the backboard but not the ring if I have responsibility for the free thrower (Trail in a crew of 2, Center in a crew of 3).

[JRutledge]

Not for a situation like this, I doubt I would blow the whistle. The ball is already dead and the ball was not going to be live on a miss. So no need IMO to blow the whistle for the most part. Nothing wrong if you do, just not a need.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mike Goodwin

I "discovered" it in the manual in 2016 or 2017 ...

I also "discovered" it accidently, but chose to keep it my secret and ignore it, thinking it was not be be used locally since (we do have some local mechanics that aren't quite IAABO kosher) up until that point it had never been mentioned as a change by our local interpreter, who only mentioned it quite recently, and only in response to a mechanics refresher exam question.

[Nevadaref]

The whistle prior to administering FTs upon resuming play following a time-out is in the NFHS mechanics.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Older, more experienced officials, like me, on my local board were taught and used NFHS mechanics before switching to IAABO mechanics.

Originally Posted by Mike Goodwin

... whistle before free throw(s) following a time-out until I "discovered" it in the manual in 2016 or 2017. Older manuals didn't specifically state it before then ...

IAABO switched from NFHS mechanics to IAABO mechanics in 2004-05. So it must have taken about twelve years to change the mechanic to a whistle before a free throw after a timeout.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mike Goodwin

... I don't distinctly remember sounding the whistle before free throw(s) following a time-out until I "discovered" it in the manual in 2016 or 2017. Older manuals didn't specifically state it before then ...

Whistle before a free throw after a timeout first appeared in the IAABO mechanics manual in 2011-12, but I do not remember it being publicized: When a timeout is followed by a free throw, sound the whistle prior to administering the free throw.

[Raymond]

Some of us don't like checking in on a thread only to find a bunch of off-topic responses. Billy often laments the down tick in discussions on this site. I'll often not look in on a thread if Billy is the last to post because it will most likely be him responding to himself and/or an off-topic response.

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[LRZ]

Stick around a while longer, Mike, and you'll understand.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

How is this relevant to anything?

Originally Posted by Raymond

Some of us don't like checking in on a thread only to find a bunch of off-topic responses.

Originally Posted by LRZ

Stick around a while longer, Mike, and you'll understand.

ilyazhito, LRZ, and Raymond are right.

I regretted it soon after (before ilyazhito, LRZ, and Raymond's posts) I posted it (the "quote" was much longer than I anticipated, and I only noticed its "true" length later).

Got caught up in a personal "conversation" with Mike Goodwin (the grasshopper will soon learn not to encourage me).

I've got to remember that the Forum isn't my local gin joint.

Sorry.