Fun With Free Throws …

[Raymond]

How far back is a player allowed to back out of a free throw lane space while the shooter still has the ball?

Her left foot is outside of the letter T that is on the end line prior to the release of the free throw.

Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

[ODog]

Originally Posted by Raymond

How far back is a player allowed to back out of a free throw lane space while the shooter still has the ball?

Her left foot is outside of the letter T that is on the end line prior to the release of the free throw.

That was my thought process as well. If the space is only 36" deep, I'd say her foot has passed that standard -- and that's how I voted.

Billy, how do you have the percentage breakdowns of the IAABO voters on these plays? I'm a member and view/vote on them all, yet all I ever see is the colored pie chart (with no numerical data) when the play summaries are posted.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ODog

If the space is only 36" deep, I'd say her foot has passed that standard ...

It isn't necessarily always 36 inches deep, it theoretically could be more (or less).

Originally Posted by BillyMac

9-1-3-G: A player occupying a marked lane space may not have either foot beyond the vertical plane of the outside edge of any lane boundary, or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the space (2 inches by 36 inches) designated by lane-space marks. A player must position one foot near the outer edge of the free-throw lane line. The other foot may be positioned anywhere within the designated 36-inch lane space until the ball has been released.

She keeps her right foot "near" the lane line until the ball is released.

[bob jenkins]

I don't have the FED book handy, but this is from NCAAW (NCAAM is the same):

Art. 4. The lane-space marks and blocks shall identify the lane space areas that
extend 36 inches from the outer edge of the lane lines toward the sidelines.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ODog

... percentage breakdowns of the IAABO voters on these plays? I'm a member and view/vote on them all, yet all I ever see is the colored pie chart (with no numerical data) when the play summaries are posted.

Hover your cursor over the different colors in the pie chart and the number of votes will appear for each colored section. Get out a pencil and some scratch paper to add up the total votes and then get out your Pickett slide rule to figure out the percentage by dividing the number of votes in each colored section by the total number of votes.

My Pickett slide rule is always easily accessible because I always keep it in a leather case clipped to my black belt. I would never leave home without it. It's a chick magnet I tell you, a chick magnet.

After hot single women spot my Pickett slide rule, and after I tell them that that I raise backyard chickens, photograph sunspots, and have spent a lot of time in prison, I have to fight them off with a stick. It's true.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

How far back is a player allowed to back out of a free throw lane space while the shooter still has the ball?

Depends on one's stride length and one's definition of "near".

9-1-3-G: A player occupying a marked lane space may not have either foot beyond the vertical plane of the outside edge of any lane boundary, or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the space (2 inches by 36 inches) designated by lane-space marks. A player must position one foot near the outer edge of the free-throw lane line. The other foot may be positioned anywhere within the designated 36-inch lane space until the ball has been released.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Depends on one's stride length and one's definition of "near".

9-1-3-G: A player occupying a marked lane space may not have either foot beyond the vertical plane of the outside edge of any lane boundary, or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the space (2 inches by 36 inches) designated by lane-space marks. A player must position one foot near the outer edge of the free-throw lane line. The other foot may be positioned anywhere within the designated 36-inch lane space until the ball has been released.

So, regardless of one's stride length, there is a 36" limit to how far that back foot can go prior to release. In this case, I believe it gives her an advantage in trying to circle around the defender in the bottom space.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

So, regardless of one's stride length, there is a 36" limit to how far that back foot can go prior to release ...

9-1-3-G: A player occupying a marked lane space may not have either foot beyond the vertical plane of the outside edge of any lane boundary, or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the space (2 inches by 36 inches) designated by lane-space marks. A player must position one foot near the outer edge of the free-throw lane line. The other foot may be positioned anywhere within the designated 36-inch lane space until the ball has been released.

Interesting point. So you're saying that the "36 inches" (red above) in the rule defines the depth of the marked lane space. My first quick read thought that "36 inches" referred to the width of the space, but I now see another aspect to "36 inches".

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

9-1-3-G: A player occupying a marked lane space may not have either foot beyond the vertical plane of the outside edge of any lane boundary, or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the space (2 inches by 36 inches) designated by lane-space marks. A player must position one foot near the outer edge of the free-throw lane line. The other foot may be positioned anywhere within the designated 36-inch lane space until the ball has been released.

Interesting point. So you're saying that the "36 inches" (red above) in the rule defines the depth of the marked lane space. My first quick read thought that "36 inches" referred to the width of the space, but I now see another aspect to "36 inches".

I read it again, and also went back to the 2009-10 Rulebook when "one foot near the outer edge of the free-throw lane line" was clarified (Rulebook was not helpful, and I don't have my written notes from that far back, but I do remember this being discussed).

I'm not fully convinced that "36 inches" limits a player from going back, but rather limits the player from moving sideways into an opponent's "protected" area (similar to a jump ball) that extends 36 inches behind said opponent's lane line (longer than the 8 inches painted on court).

1-5-2: The lane-space marks (2 inches by 8 inches) identify areas which extend 36 inches from the outer edge of the lane lines toward the sidelines.

Based on what I remember from my state interpreter's discussion of the 2009-10 clarification, I believe that a player must position one foot near the outer edge of the free-throw lane line. The other foot may be positioned anywhere within the designated 36-inch lane space until the ball has been released limits how far back a player can go, with within the designated 36-inch lane space referring to the width of the lane space, not it's limiting depth for a player only moving backward (not sideways).

Thus, a 7 foot 4 inch player (example given eleven years ago) could legally have one foot "near" the lane line the other foot more than 36 inches back. It was the 2009-10 clarification (one foot near the lane line) that kept him from going all the way back to the sideline within his three foot wide lane space, before this there was no depth limit, just a depth "protective" area (similar to a jump ball) for an opponent. If there was a 36 inch depth limit, why have the "one foot near the lane line" verbiage, just keep him inside his four sided infinitely tall box (imagine a mime)?

But I wouldn't bet my house on my interpretation based on what I can remember from eleven years ago (one foot near lane line limits depth), and I can be easily convinced otherwise.

Now, where are my car keys?

[youngump]

[QUOTE=BillyMac;1041375]
1-5-2: The lane-space marks (2 inches by 8 inches) identify areas which extend 36 inches from the outer edge of the lane lines toward the sidelines.

I'm not getting your argument on this. The lane space is 36 inches from the outer edge of the line toward the sideline. That defines a box. Is your entire argument that it's not a 36 inch deep spot the interpretation or is there more I'm missing?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by youngump

The lane space is 36 inches from the outer edge of the line toward the sideline. That defines a box.

Correct, it absolutely does define the box, but it doesn't define the limits of entering and leaving said box.

In another situation, the box (with curved sides) around a player on the the jump ball circle doesn't allow an opponent to enter the opponent's "protective" box within a certain time frame, however, it does allow the player in that box to leave the box, as far back as they want to go, at any time.

Is the lane space box movement limitation similar?

Is this box kind of the opposite of the Hotel California (with apologies to the 1977 Eagles)? You can't check-in any time you like. But you can always leave.

I'm leaning yes, but I can easily be convinced otherwise.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Raymond

So, regardless of one's stride length, there is a 36" limit to how far that back foot can go prior to release. In this case, I believe it gives her an advantage in trying to circle around the defender in the bottom space.

Agree...using the lane space markings as a reference, I think she steps well beyond 36" away from the lane line.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I think she steps well beyond 36" way from the lane line.

I'm not 100% fully convinced that this is the actual limiting rule. I'm not going to die on this hill, but I'm leaning toward the depth being limited by the player's stride, not the thirty six inches, based on what I can remember from discussion regarding the 2009-10 rule clarification.

While the lane space is absolutely thirty six inches wide and thirty six inches deep (as are the depths of jump ball circle spaces), if there was a thirty six inch depth limit for leaving (backing up) the space, why have the "one foot near the lane line" verbiage, just keep the player inside the four sided thirty six inch wide and thirty six inch deep infinitely tall box until the release.

In my opinion, the other foot may be positioned anywhere within the designated 36-inch lane space refers to the width of the space, not the depth.

Anybody got any written notes regarding the 2009-10 rule clarification? I discarded mine, but I remember what was discussed, including the example of the seven footer with a stride longer than thirty six inches, an example very clear in my mind even eleven years later.

I can probably be easily convincing that I'm wrong in my interpretation. Like I said, I'm not going to die on this hill, and I would truly like to know the correct interpretation.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I can probably be easily convincing that I'm wrong in my interpretation. Like I said, I'm not going to die on this hill, and I would truly like to know the correct interpretation.

I'm now 100% fully convinced that I was 100% fully incorrect.

9-1-3-D: No player must enter a marked lane space or leave a marked lane space by contacting the court outside the 36-inch by 36-inch space until the ball is released.

Now can somebody please remind me why this was added to the rulebook eleven years ago: A player must position one foot near the outer edge of the free-throw lane line.

And how was "near" defined?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

...

Now can somebody please remind me why this was added to the rulebook eleven years ago: A player must position one foot near the outer edge of the free-throw lane line.

And how was "near" defined?

I remember we had discussions wondering the same and no one ever came up with a definitive answer.


Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk