Fun With A Pivot Foot ...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Your definition of palming must be an IAABO or Connecticut thing, because I've never heard of traveling being interchangeable with palming.

Never in my time of playing or officiating basketball have I heard that dribbling, then putting the ball in the palm of your hand, then lifting and replanting your pivot is the same as palming the ball in between dribbles.

The palming signal has always been used to indicate a specific type of illegal dribble where a player has let the ball come to rest in between dribbles.

If a player is dribbling, then let's the ball come to rest, then illegally moves his pivot foot, then dribbles again, he has committed a travel before he has committed an illegal dribble. Just because in that situation it may be more convenient or easier to sell a palming signal than a traveling signal, doesn't mean that palming (an illegal dribble) and traveling are the same thing.


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Both can be considered a carry. It is a 6 vs. half dozen thing. Both are correct, just as the former type of carry is also an illegal dribble.

The carry signal/violation was only added to allow more clear communication when it more clearly indicates the infraction that illegal dribble or travel might convey.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Both can be considered a carry. It is a 6 vs. half dozen thing. Both are correct, just as the former type of carry is also an illegal dribble.



The carry signal/violation was only added to allow more clear communication when it more clearly indicates the infraction that illegal dribble or travel might convey.

If give a palming signal when a a player travels on a spin move where he shoots but doesn't dribble again, I'm going to lose a lot of credibility with my assigners and coaches around here.

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[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Raymond

If give a palming signal when a a player travels on a spin move where he shoots but doesn't dribble again, I'm going to lose a lot of credibility with my assigners and coaches around here.

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Agree, but if the feet move in the manner of a travel while carrying the ball but the player does eventually dribble again, but you call a travel, you're going to get the same grief. The "carry" in that case is the travel, but no one calls it a travel, they call it a carry.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Agree, but if the feet move in the manner of a travel while carrying the ball but the player does eventually dribble again, but you call a travel, you're going to get the same grief. The "carry" in that case is the travel, but no one calls it a travel, they call it a carry.

I'm not disagreeing with that. That's why I stated earlier that if a player travels while palming the ball in between dribbles, it's an easier sell to give the palming signal.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

... if a player travels while palming the ball in between dribbles, it's an easier sell to give the palming signal.

Agree. That's why it's described in the rulebook and on the signal chart.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Agree. That's why it's described in the rulebook and on the signal chart.

I understand that. But that's not what happened in the video.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

But that's not what happened in the video.

Agree. I gave carry/travel a half a thought on his hesitation dribble before he even got near the lane (left hand), well before his pivot move, then almost immediately decided, "No, ain't a carry. Not even close".