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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... The location of all throw-ins in the frontcourt will be determined by an imaginary line drawn from the corner of the court to the intersection of the lane line and the free-throw line ...

Does the NCAA also use the Rocket Ship Diagram to decide endline or sideline (ignore the extra NFHS arrows and add some NCAA hash marks)?

The Rocket Ship Diagram © 2009, Back In The Saddle



Note: It sure feels great to post about basketball rules on the Forum instead of posting on social justice issues, or the coronavirus. I sure hope that we have high school basketball this upcoming season here in Connecticut. The only indoor fall sport in Connecticut is girls volleyball and the CIAC and the State Department of Health is requiring that volleyball players wear masks at all times, even when playing. Could the same mask rules apply to basketball in the winter?

Meanwhile, some school systems/schools/grades/classrooms in Connecticut have had to temporarily close (moving to online learning) due to COVID cases. If COVID has this effect on curricular activities, what effect will we see on extracurricular activities, especially when people start moving back indoors as the weather gets colder?

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Does the NCAA also use the Rocket Ship Diagram © 2009, Back In The Saddle for deciding endline or sideline (ignore the extra NFHS arrows)?

Semicircle goes to the sideline. Other than that, yes - that is what I mean by "lines of demarcation."

[BillyMac]

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Semicircle goes to the sideline. Other than that, yes - that is what I mean by "lines of demarcation."

Not in NCAAW -- it goes to the endline. 7-3-2c

[JBleach85]

You're welcome BillyMac

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Not in NCAAW -- it goes to the endline. 7-3-2c

Why can't the NCAA men and the NCAA women get together and use a single rule set, and just change the size of the basketball?

This works just fine for NFHS boys and girls high school rules.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Why can't the NCAA men and the NCAA women get together and use a single rule set, and just change the size of the basketball?

This works just fine for NFHS boys and girls high school rules.

Coaches.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Coaches.

Were there two rule sets for high school boys and girls before they came under the umbrella of the NFHS (with the same size ball for many years).

I think I remember that back when I was in high school the girls played six on six basketball in a back auxiliary gym (with no bleachers for fans, just a few folding chairs along the perimeter walls) called the "Girls Gym" (yes that's what it was called, of course, this was before Title IX).

I'm sure that Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. will be moseying by shortly to give us all the ancient times details.

I worked with young partner this past season and was telling him a story about a girl's ball being mistakenly used in a boys game back when the size was first changed and he replied, "They once used the same size ball?".

Am I really that old?

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Were there two rule sets for high school boys and girls before they came under the umbrella of the NFHS (with the same size ball for many years).

I have no idea. All I know is that the NCAA men's and women's coaches who write the rules have no reason or incentive to care what the other side does. And since college officials almost never cross between the two that isn't something they have to worry about, either.

Interestingly I believe the other NCAA sports do use the same rules for men and women (except lacrosse because M/W lacrosse are two almost entirely different games).

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Were there two rule sets for high school boys and girls before they came under the umbrella of the NFHS (with the same size ball for many years).

I think I remember that back when I was in high school the girls played six on six basketball....

I'm sure that Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. will be moseying by shortly to give us all the ancient times details.

I'm no official, but I'm an old timer, and can tell you that those girls' basketball rules were kept by NAGWS. Iowa's was the last state association to use them interscholastically. At one time there were 3 zones on the court, but later they liberalized them to 2.

Before NCAA administered women's basketball, intercollegiate women's basketball was administered by the AIAW, who also had their own playing rules.

As to the other rules relating to those marks on the court you were probably expecting Mark DeNucci to mosey along for, I believe you were referring to the provisions on "lack of sufficient action". They depended on the score of the game at the time. The team that was behind in score, believe it or not, was responsible for "action"; if the score was tied, it was (again, believe it or not) the team without the ball that was responsible. Seems like these provisions were there to magnify an advantage.

When the team with responsibility for action had the ball in the front court, it was a violation for their players alone or in combination to hold the ball in the midcourt area defined by those marks for 5 seconds at a time, after a once-a-game warning. When the opponents of he team with responsibility for action had the ball in that midcourt area, after a similar warning, the team with responsibility had to not leave him not closely guarded for 5 seconds at a time. If those opponents also had another player in the midcourt area, the team with responsibility had to put one other player in the midcourt area when the ball was there. Additional players by the team without responsibility did not incur any additional requirement of defenders to come into that area.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Why can't the NCAA men and the NCAA women get together and use a single rule set, and just change the size of the basketball?

This works just fine for NFHS boys and girls high school rules.

One makes over a billion on their NCAA Tournament and the other loses money.

And the people that officiate are not the same. So there you go.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Why can't the NCAA men and the NCAA women get together and use a single rule set, and just change the size of the basketball?

...

I'll classify this as a rhetorical question because nobody here will be able to answer definitively.

NCAA Women's rules are actually a lot closer to NBA rules then NCAA Men's rules are.


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[BillyMac]

... the Forum pays Back In The Saddle a dollar.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Not in NCAAW -- it goes to the endline. 7-3-2c

The Rocket Ship Diagram © 2009, Back In The Saddle

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... the Rocket Ship Diagram © 2009, Back In The Saddle ...

Whatever happened to Back In The Saddle?

(5,289 posts, most recent April 22, 2012)

I ask because he may be one of the handful of Forum posters that have changed their usernames over the years.