College 28 Foot Hash Mark ...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

This is when you start losing the audience and anybody who may have some good information doesn't bother reading the rest of the thread.

That works on FB or Instagram much more than a place like this.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

This is when you start losing the audience and anybody who may have some good information doesn't bother reading the rest of the thread.

I view men's and women's college basketball as two different varieties of apples. Basically the same game, shoot the ball in the basket, with only slightly different rules. Non-officials casually watching both games would recognize them as being played in very similar manners.

I view boys and girls high school lacrosse as being apples and oranges. They're both fruit, but very different types of fruit. Non-officials casually watching both games would recognize them as being played in very different manners. Same basic game, get the ball in the net, but very much different rules.

Hey, it's better than posting about COVID and social justice issues on a forum dedicated to basketball officiating.

[LRZ]

You just can't stop yourself, can you? And we are your enablers.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by LRZ

... And we are your enablers.

Originally Posted by SC Official

... other NCAA sports do use the same rules for men and women (except lacrosse because M/W lacrosse are two almost entirely different games).

SC Official deserves a small part of the blame.

He first brought up sports other than basketball with different gender rule sets, in some cases making for "two almost entirely different games".

It was his quoted phrase that got my attention.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by LRZ

You just can't stop yourself, can you?

You're right LRZ. I couldn't resist. Came up with the idea to fully continue through with the metaphor (not perfect, both edible plants, but it serves a purpose) yesterday, tried to resist posting it all day yesterday. Woke up and had to post it today. Sorry.



Above, my view on soccer versus softball.

Can't blame this, even partially, on SC Official. It's all on me.

BillyMac out (hopefully).

[Stat-Man]

At one point, NCAA-M and W did share a common rule book through the late 1990s and early 2000s with differences for men and women noted as appropriate. I'm not sure what year it was when the men's and women's rules diverged into separate rule books to reflect the different trends, philosophies, strategies, etc. when comparing the men's game with the women's.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Stat-Man

At one point, NCAA-M and W did share a common rule book through the late 1990s and early 2000s with differences for men and women noted as appropriate. I'm not sure what year it was when the men's and women's rules diverged into separate rule books to reflect the different trends, philosophies, strategies, etc. when comparing the men's game with the women's.

Thanks Stat-Man.

Be sure to eat lots of fruits and vegetables.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

As to the other rules relating to those marks on the court you were probably expecting Mark DeNucci to mosey along for, I believe you were referring to the provisions on "lack of sufficient action". They depended on the score of the game at the time. The team that was behind in score, believe it or not, was responsible for "action"; if the score was tied, it was (again, believe it or not) the team without the ball that was responsible. Seems like these provisions were there to magnify an advantage.

When the team with responsibility for action had the ball in the front court, it was a violation for their players alone or in combination to hold the ball in the midcourt area defined by those marks for 5 seconds at a time, after a once-a-game warning. When the opponents of he team with responsibility for action had the ball in that midcourt area, after a similar warning, the team with responsibility had to not leave him not closely guarded for 5 seconds at a time. If those opponents also had another player in the midcourt area, the team with responsibility had to put one other player in the midcourt area when the ball was there. Additional players by the team without responsibility did not incur any additional requirement of defenders to come into that area.

By the way, that was USA-Canada (AAU-NCAA) rules.

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Young'uns: Back in ancient times, these four hash marks had a real purpose in high school games.

One was regarding a five second closely guarded count. If a dribbler was close to a five second closely guarded dribbling count violation he could get a new count by dribbling forward past the 28 foot hash mark extended. Under certain conditions, between holding and dribbling a ball handler could avoid a closely guarded violation for up to sixteen seconds (unlike today's twelve seconds).

Another was for delay of game. Under certain conditions, stalling offensive teams were required to move the ball past the 28 foot hash mark extended, and stalling defensive teams were required to come out and play defense (closely guarded) past the 28 foot hash mark extended.

There's a lot more to the ancient times delay of game rule. I'm sure that Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. will be moseying by shortly to give us all the details.

Ahh, the old forecourt and front court. The good old days.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mregor

Ahh, the old forecourt and front court. The good old days.

Forecourt + Midcourt = Frontcourt.

Speaking of the "good old days", let's not forget about "change of status".

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mregor

Ahh, the old forecourt and front court ...

[Raymond]

SMH.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

SMH.

Hey, it was for the young'uns.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

SMH.

It never stops does it?

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Hey, it was for the young'uns.

It's barely tolerable when you post off topic stuff within a semi-relevant post.

In this case, you responded to the same post for a second time with a post that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic--shoot it didn't even have anything to do with sports.



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