NCAA Shot Clock Violation Question

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I just saw the video. I can post this. But it seems like you can make a case that the defender has the ball secure, if that is the case then you would not call a violation or stop play. This to me is either way decision. If Iowa was near the ball or was contesting the possession of the ball, then I think you have to call a violation.



Peace

That seemed to be the opinion of the announcers, too. But I would like to have a debate about this with the video. I don’t remember this being “bang bang.” The horn sounded mid-flight, then the try missed the rim. Plenty of time to process and then whistle the violation. I think this was a deliberate bending of the rule by the crew. Maybe this is something the assignor wants done in the Big Ten?

There’s no doubt a call here would have been a game interruptor. I’m just wondering if by bending the rules it’s not the top of a slippery slope?


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[SC Official]

I've had a few of these situations in my college games.

Horn sounds while the ball is in flight, doesn't get iron, defense secures rebound, and no one blows except me.

I had to look up the rule once to make sure I wasn't crazy. One time I asked my partners in the dressing room, "That ball didn't hit the rim, right?"

"No."
"So it's a shot clock violation."
"Yes, technically."

I guess there are some MSU officials out there who won't blow this play dead and maybe some assigners want that, but any crew I am on we will have a whistle for a shot clock violation. It's not a game interrupter - what if you don't blow and the player who got the rebound has the ball snatched away from him before he can fully "secure" the ball?

I have not had this be an issue more often than not though.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

I think this was a deliberate bending of the rule by the crew.

Or maybe they just had a brain fart and/or thought it hit the rim.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Or maybe they just had a brain fart and/or thought it hit the rim.

Twice in one half? It happened again a few minutes later. On the other end. Hey, at least they were consistent!


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[bucky]

I'd like to see that be a rule. If the defense gains control during a shot clock violation, then play on. Get rid of the game disruption.

Ex. Offense shoots, shot clock signals, airball shot is caught by defense. = play on.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bucky

I'd like to see that be a rule. If the defense gains control during a shot clock violation, then play on. Get rid of the game disruption.

Ex. Offense shoots, shot clock signals, airball shot is caught by defense. = play on.

I saw a game this week with time running out in the game where the winning team chose, instead of not shooting and letting the shot clock expire, to toss the ball to the other team. The other team was holding the ball for 1-2 seconds before the shot clock expired. They still blew the whistle and gave them the ball on a throwin. The other team already had the ball. Why not let that one go!?@??

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I saw a game this week with time running out in the game where the winning team chose, instead of not shooting and letting the shot clock expire, to toss the ball to the other team. The other team was holding the ball for 1-2 seconds before the shot clock expired. They still blew the whistle and gave them the ball on a throwin. The other team already had the ball. Why not let that one go!?@??

That should not have been a whistle. Once B gets the ball the shot lock should reset

[bob jenkins]

Play similar to OP (as described) happens with 13.x to go in Loyola - Northern IA game. Officials correctly called the violation, then went to the monitor to put 14.6 on the clock.

[JRutledge]

Peace

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by bucky

I'd like to see that be a rule. If the defense gains control during a shot clock violation, then play on. Get rid of the game disruption.

Ex. Offense shoots, shot clock signals, airball shot is caught by defense. = play on.

The only way that change would affect strategy is that sometimes that team would prefer a throw-in with the clock stopped. And of course sometimes they'd prefer not.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

The only way that change would affect strategy is that sometimes that team would prefer a throw-in with the clock stopped. And of course sometimes they'd prefer not.

For sure, good point. I was trying to think of other strategic reasons too. I can see a defense getting the ball and immediately being trapped by the new "defense". In that case, the violation would have benefited the new offense and penalized the shooting team. However, I prefer that there is no game disruption over those other rare situations. Lesser of two evils I guess, plus my preferences are also irrelevant.

[bucky]

So, just saw another case of this. With 10:38 to go in the Ohio State/Iowa game, there is an Ohio State shot attempt that is deflected high in the air. An Iowa player jumps, secures control of the ball in the air and lands. The shot clock horn sounds right about when the Iowa player touches the floor. Play continued for a split second and then Wymer blew his whistle indicating a shot clock violation. Here is a case where it would be nice, even if a violation, to ignore it. Also, not sure why Wymer called it a hair late.

Video would be nice but only if it is easy.