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Old Sat Feb 15, 2020, 09:52pm
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Play similar to OP (as described) happens with 13.x to go in Loyola - Northern IA game. Officials correctly called the violation, then went to the monitor to put 14.6 on the clock.
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Old Sun Feb 16, 2020, 09:01am
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Missed call.
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Old Sun Feb 16, 2020, 01:09pm
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Old Sun Feb 16, 2020, 05:06pm
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Play similar to OP (as described) happens with 13.x to go in Loyola - Northern IA game. Officials correctly called the violation, then went to the monitor to put 14.6 on the clock.
Query: when does the violation occur? Is at the expiration of the shot clock? Or, if a shot is in the air, is it when it is apparent the ball will not hit the rim?
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Old Sun Feb 16, 2020, 06:35pm
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Query: when does the violation occur? Is at the expiration of the shot clock? Or, if a shot is in the air, is it when it is apparent the ball will not hit the rim?
By rule we can put the game clock at the exact time the shot clock expired.

Possession starts at 44.6, game clock at 14.6 if violation is whistled.

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Old Sun Feb 16, 2020, 07:06pm
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Query: when does the violation occur? Is at the expiration of the shot clock? Or, if a shot is in the air, is it when it is apparent the ball will not hit the rim?
In NCAAW, it's the time the whistle blows. Theer's some case play on this -- I think back in either the violations section or in the replay section.

In this NCAAM game, replays showed that the time as the ball passed below the level of the rim was 14.6

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Old Mon Feb 17, 2020, 09:54am
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I'd like to see that be a rule. If the defense gains control during a shot clock violation, then play on. Get rid of the game disruption.

Ex. Offense shoots, shot clock signals, airball shot is caught by defense. = play on.
The only way that change would affect strategy is that sometimes that team would prefer a throw-in with the clock stopped. And of course sometimes they'd prefer not.
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Old Mon Feb 17, 2020, 12:49pm
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The only way that change would affect strategy is that sometimes that team would prefer a throw-in with the clock stopped. And of course sometimes they'd prefer not.
For sure, good point. I was trying to think of other strategic reasons too. I can see a defense getting the ball and immediately being trapped by the new "defense". In that case, the violation would have benefited the new offense and penalized the shooting team. However, I prefer that there is no game disruption over those other rare situations. Lesser of two evils I guess, plus my preferences are also irrelevant.
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Old Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:37pm
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So, just saw another case of this. With 10:38 to go in the Ohio State/Iowa game, there is an Ohio State shot attempt that is deflected high in the air. An Iowa player jumps, secures control of the ball in the air and lands. The shot clock horn sounds right about when the Iowa player touches the floor. Play continued for a split second and then Wymer blew his whistle indicating a shot clock violation. Here is a case where it would be nice, even if a violation, to ignore it. Also, not sure why Wymer called it a hair late.

Video would be nice but only if it is easy.
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Old Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:49pm
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So, just saw another case of this. With 10:38 to go in the Ohio State/Iowa game, there is an Ohio State shot attempt that is deflected high in the air. An Iowa player jumps, secures control of the ball in the air and lands. The shot clock horn sounds right about when the Iowa player touches the floor. Play continued for a split second and then Wymer blew his whistle indicating a shot clock violation. Here is a case where it would be nice, even if a violation, to ignore it. Also, not sure why Wymer called it a hair late.

Video would be nice but only if it is easy.
By rule, that play should not have been stopped as the Iowa player secured control of the ball prior to the shot clock horn sounding.
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Old Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:00pm
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By rule, that play should not have been stopped as the Iowa player secured control of the ball prior to the shot clock horn sounding.
Exactly! It was very strange to see someone of that caliber (Wymer) make that call. And he did it as if he "caught" something by rule and was ensuring doing things the correct way.
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Old Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:32pm
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I think from his angle he probably felt there was a chance of the ball not being secured. But the Iowa player clearly had possession.

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Old Fri Feb 21, 2020, 02:47pm
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Exactly! It was very strange to see someone of that caliber (Wymer) make that call. And he did it as if he "caught" something by rule and was ensuring doing things the correct way.
OMFG, a national championship official potentially made a mistake in judgment!!

Yawn.

It must be almost March.
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