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Old Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:00pm
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NCAA Shot Clock Violation Question

Is there a new rule whereby if the shot clock expires while a try that does not touch the rim is in flight, and the defense collects the airball, there is no whistle for a shot clock violation?

Saw this during Iowa @ Indiana, B1G Network, 2/13, 2nd Half at 9:35.


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Is there a new rule whereby if the shot clock expires while a try that does not touch the rim is in flight, and the defense collects the airball, there is no whistle for a shot clock violation?

Saw this during Iowa @ Indiana, B1G Network, 2/13, 2nd Half at 9:35.


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Per your description, there should have been a whistle for a violation.
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Is there a new rule whereby if the shot clock expires while a try that does not touch the rim is in flight, and the defense collects the airball, there is no whistle for a shot clock violation?

Saw this during Iowa @ Indiana, B1G Network, 2/13, 2nd Half at 9:35.

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No.
Well that’s interesting because I saw them not blow one again on the other end about five clock minutes later.

I guess they must have pregamed this.


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Old Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:34am
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Per your description, there should have been a whistle for a violation.


As IAABO would say, “Let’s go to the video tape!”

The announcers even said something like, “Indiana picks it up so we’ll just go the other way.” They said it almost matter-of-factly which is why I thought maybe there had been a recent rule change I was unaware of.


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Old Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:56am
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Well that’s interesting because I saw them not blow one again on the other end about five clock minutes later.

I guess they must have pregamed this.

I have not seen the play in question. I have no idea what took place either way. But there is not rule change with the shot clock other than going to 20 seconds when the offense rebounds the ball in the FC or 30 seconds if recovered in the BC.

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Old Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:46am
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Let's Go To The Videotape ...

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As IAABO would say, “Let’s go to the video tape!”
They stole this from Warner Wolf, a local news sports anchor in Washington, D.C. and New York City.

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I just saw the video. I can post this. But it seems like you can make a case that the defender has the ball secure, if that is the case then you would not call a violation or stop play. This to me is either way decision. If Iowa was near the ball or was contesting the possession of the ball, then I think you have to call a violation.

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I just saw the video. I can post this. But it seems like you can make a case that the defender has the ball secure, if that is the case then you would not call a violation or stop play. This to me is either way decision. If Iowa was near the ball or was contesting the possession of the ball, then I think you have to call a violation.



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That seemed to be the opinion of the announcers, too. But I would like to have a debate about this with the video. I don’t remember this being “bang bang.” The horn sounded mid-flight, then the try missed the rim. Plenty of time to process and then whistle the violation. I think this was a deliberate bending of the rule by the crew. Maybe this is something the assignor wants done in the Big Ten?

There’s no doubt a call here would have been a game interruptor. I’m just wondering if by bending the rules it’s not the top of a slippery slope?


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Old Fri Feb 14, 2020, 03:43pm
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I've had a few of these situations in my college games.

Horn sounds while the ball is in flight, doesn't get iron, defense secures rebound, and no one blows except me.

I had to look up the rule once to make sure I wasn't crazy. One time I asked my partners in the dressing room, "That ball didn't hit the rim, right?"

"No."
"So it's a shot clock violation."
"Yes, technically."

I guess there are some MSU officials out there who won't blow this play dead and maybe some assigners want that, but any crew I am on we will have a whistle for a shot clock violation. It's not a game interrupter - what if you don't blow and the player who got the rebound has the ball snatched away from him before he can fully "secure" the ball?

I have not had this be an issue more often than not though.
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Old Fri Feb 14, 2020, 03:45pm
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I think this was a deliberate bending of the rule by the crew.
Or maybe they just had a brain fart and/or thought it hit the rim.
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Old Fri Feb 14, 2020, 03:54pm
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Or maybe they just had a brain fart and/or thought it hit the rim.


Twice in one half? It happened again a few minutes later. On the other end. Hey, at least they were consistent!


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I'd like to see that be a rule. If the defense gains control during a shot clock violation, then play on. Get rid of the game disruption.

Ex. Offense shoots, shot clock signals, airball shot is caught by defense. = play on.
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I'd like to see that be a rule. If the defense gains control during a shot clock violation, then play on. Get rid of the game disruption.

Ex. Offense shoots, shot clock signals, airball shot is caught by defense. = play on.
I saw a game this week with time running out in the game where the winning team chose, instead of not shooting and letting the shot clock expire, to toss the ball to the other team. The other team was holding the ball for 1-2 seconds before the shot clock expired. They still blew the whistle and gave them the ball on a throwin. The other team already had the ball. Why not let that one [email protected]??
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I saw a game this week with time running out in the game where the winning team chose, instead of not shooting and letting the shot clock expire, to toss the ball to the other team. The other team was holding the ball for 1-2 seconds before the shot clock expired. They still blew the whistle and gave them the ball on a throwin. The other team already had the ball. Why not let that one [email protected]??
That should not have been a whistle. Once B gets the ball the shot lock should reset
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