Hair Pull-Missed call video

[bucky]

I hear someone yell "number 14 just shoulder checked.." and 14 is the one who yanks. I did not feel there was an illegal box out on shot but whatever...

Point is, as trail official, stay with shooter/play. Close in/down on shots, not the opposite.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bucky

Point is, as trail official, stay with shooter/play.

How long? The trail also has rebounding duties and the ball was being rebounded by then. Which place is more likely to need coverage? I'd say rebounding. Once the shot has hit the rim, I'm turning my attention to that.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

How long? The trail also has rebounding duties and the ball was being rebounded by then. Which place is more likely to need coverage? I'd say rebounding. Once the shot has hit the rim, I'm turning my attention to that.

For as long as it is necessary. Trail may have rebounding duties but I would say that, as a general statement, they fall within the Trails PCA. IOW, if the ball rebounds on C's side, and there are only 2 players there, I, as Trail, am not even thinking about watching those two players. That area is likely to need more coverage and the C can get that. T can turn their attention to rebounding if it is applicable to their area. I think Raymond's points were valid. In the video after the shot, there were 4 players that I would consider to be next to each other. Two opponents were near the hoop and then the shooter/defender. There was plenty of space between all other players, especially in the Trails PCA. That space negates attention. Soooo... T should have been right there in closed down position and staying there with those two players until transition begins. Then, the new T takes over watching those players. Again, bottom line is that T began waaay too far away from the play and lost sight of the two primary players in his area.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bucky

For as long as it is necessary. Trail may have rebounding duties ...

Don't forget about the goaltending and basket interference duties in a two person boys high school game.

I agree with Raymond. First priority is the shooter/defender matchup, things can happen even after the shooter lands (illegal displacement box out is not uncommon).

When to look away from the shooter/defender matchup?

We get paid the big bucks because we know when to look for other things.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bucky

In the video after the shot, there were 4 players that I would consider to be next to each other. Two opponents were near the hoop and then the shooter/defender. There was plenty of space between all other players, especially in the Trails PCA. That space negates attention. Soooo... T should have been right there in closed down position and staying there with those two players until transition begins.

And how does that trail know that there are no other matchups needing attention without, for a moment, looking away, if only for a moment, a moment long enough for something entirely unexpected to happen.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If he stays with that and the same thing happens elsewhere, we'd be saying he stayed with the shooter too long.

No, we'd be blaming his partner(s) for missing something in their area, just as his partners probably did to him.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

And how does that trail know that there are no other matchups needing attention without, for a moment, looking away, if only for a moment, a moment long enough for something entirely unexpected to happen.

By looking before the event takes place. Anticipating basketball action is extremely easy. We can all see things coming miles before they occur. This foresight is even more applicable to situations that involve the ball, like the OP. This T neither looked at the shot long enough nor anything else in his area. He chose, apparently, the flight of the ball. Anyone would be unaware of anything needing attention by following the ball. Lastly...something unexpected? Always expect the unexpected.

Now, given all that, I will be the 7th to admit that I have missed things. No debate there and I certainly am not perfect. For anyone reading, I just suggest, stay with the shooter/situation by closing in, not away.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The trail also as rebounding duties and the ball was being rebounded by then. Which place is more likely to need coverage? I'd say rebounding.

Agree. Good point.

Originally Posted by bucky

Point is, as trail official, stay with shooter/play.

For as long as reasonably possible in a two person game, especially a boys game (goaltending/basket interference).

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Agree. Good point.



For as long as reasonably possible in a two person game, especially a boys game (goaltending/basket interference).

This wasn't a 2-person game. He needs to stay with the active matchup in his primary. Other 2 officials can handle rebounding.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

This wasn't a 2-person game.

I know, and I also know that it wasn't a boys game, I just wanted to put in good word for those of us who are disadvantaged to almost always work in a two person system, where the lead is never going to catch goaltending, or basket interference, and often needs help with rebounding fouls.

Even with my lack of three person experience, I am fully aware that the three person game is a completely different story.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I know, and I also know that it wasn't a boys game, I just wanted to put in good word for those of us who are disadvantaged to almost always work in a two person system, where the lead is never going to catch goaltending, or basket interference, and often needs help with rebounding fouls.

Even with my lack of three person experience, I know that the three person game is a completely different story.

Even in a two-man game, the first priority is to take the shooter up and down and make sure there's no illegal contact associated.

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[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Even in a two-man game, the first priority is to take the shooter up and down and make sure there's no illegal contact associated.

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True, but after the shooter is down and the shot is over, you have to move on at some point....other action and matchups become higher priority.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

True, but after the shooter is down and the shot is over, you have to move on at some point....other action and matchups become higher priority.

If I have a defender who may take out a shooter after they become grounded or there has been contention between the two players, I'm watching for that.

I rather miss a run-of-the-mill rebounding foul than miss a non-basketball play that ends up on YouTube.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Even in a two-man game, the first priority is to take the shooter up and down and make sure there's no illegal contact associated.

"Protect the shooter" (and in this odd case, the defender).

At some point after the shot is released and the shooter lands, the trail has to start looking for other things (goaltending, basket interference, rebounding fouls).

But at what point?

Ay, there’s the rub!

(Yes, we have Shakespeare's Hamlet quoted on The Forum. My high school English teacher, Mr Baumgartner, would be quite proud of me.)