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4.15 COMMENT: It is not possible for a player to travel during a dribble. A player is not dribbling while slapping the ball during a jump, when a pass rebounds from his/her hand, when he/she fumbles, or when he/she bats a rebound or pass away from other players who are attempting to get it. The player is not in control under these conditions. It is a dribble when a player stands still and bounces the ball. It is not a dribble when a player stands still and holds the ball and touches it to the floor once or more than once.
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A player is not dribbling while slapping the ball when he/she bats a rebound or pass away from other players who are attempting to get it. The player is not in control under these conditions.
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Advantage to one team. Disadvantage to the other. Nothing illegal here (as long as A1 doesn't start a new dribble). If it's not illegal, it's legal Play on.
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If he batted the ball with a closed fist it is a punch and is illegal. I think as described it was with an open hand so even though the whole place will go bonkers i think we have nothing. These are the tougher calls to make. Like when the dribbler looses control and taps forward a bit and the whole gym is yelling "travel". We have to learn to not make that call. Officials that do either don't know the rules or don't care because if you do make the travel call everyone is happy.
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Otherwise, consult you local listings. https://forum.officiating.com/basket...tml#post479461
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Now, once A1 picks up the ball, could A1 pivot on his left foot? Ruling?
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Good question. We all know that a player can always legally pick up a fumble, but what can he do once he picks up the ball? In bucky's example we know that he can't start a new dribble. But can he pivot? There are situations (jump stops) where neither foot can be a pivot foot, but I don't believe that this example is a jump stop, so I would guess that he probably could pivot.
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In Bucky's scenario, he has already traveled. Lifted and replanted the pivot foot while in player control.
I'll try to find something to back me up later. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
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Traveling is moving a foot or feet in any direction in excess of prescribed limits while holding the ball. Quote:
With one rare exception, a player must be holding the ball to travel. Was this is the back of your mind? 4.44.5 SITUATION B: A1 dives for a loose ball and slides after gaining control. A1 is in a position either on his/her back or stomach. What can A1 do without violating? RULING: A1 may pass, shoot, start a dribble or request a time-out. Once A1 has the ball and is no longer sliding, he/she may not roll over. If flat on his/her back, A1 may sit up without violating. Any attempt to get to the feet is traveling unless A1 is dribbling. It is also traveling if A1 puts the ball on the floor, then rises and is first to touch the ball. (4-44-5b) Or was it this: After coming to a stop and establishing a pivot foot: a. The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the floor, before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal. And this: A fumble is the accidental loss of player control when the ball unintentionally drops or slips from a player’s grasp. In bucky's case the ball on the floor was not a result of an unintentional accidental fumble, rather it appears to have been a deliberate act. Not ruling this a fumble creates an interesting option. Could this be traveling? Great thread.
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I've never understood why they don't just say that putting the ball on the floor counts as a dribble, even it if doesn't bounce.
Yes it would change the standing up rule, but is that bad? Right now, the referee has to decide if the ball bounced (in which case it was a dribble and legal to stand up) or was "only" placed on the ground (in which case it is travelling to stand up). |
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4.15 COMMENT: It is not possible for a player to travel during a dribble. A player is not dribbling while slapping the ball during a jump, when a pass rebounds from his/her hand, when he/she fumbles, or when he/she bats a rebound or pass away from other players who are attempting to get it. The player is not in control under these conditions. It is a dribble when a player stands still and bounces the ball. It is not a dribble when a player stands still and holds the ball and touches it to the floor once or more than once.
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What about this?
A player or a team should not be permitted an advantage which is not intended by a rule.
Neither should play be permitted to develop which may lead to placing a player at a disadvantage not intended by a rule. Could you use the above statement from the rules book (it is in the beginning) as a justification to call this a travel?
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Everything is about this (intent and purpose), we always need to keep this in the back of our mind.
The question is that when we're confronted with situations (like this) that are not clearly spelled out in the rulebook, how do we decide if the advantage/disadvantage is intended, of not intended, by the rules? Not only am I not sure if this is legal, or illegal, I'm not even sure if it should be legal, or illegal.
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