rule question

[so cal lurker]

I've never understood why they don't just say that putting the ball on the floor counts as a dribble, even it if doesn't bounce.

Yes it would change the standing up rule, but is that bad? Right now, the referee has to decide if the ball bounced (in which case it was a dribble and legal to stand up) or was "only" placed on the ground (in which case it is travelling to stand up).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

I've never understood why they don't just say that putting the ball on the floor counts as a dribble, even it if doesn't bounce.

Because they've already said the opposite :

4.15 COMMENT: It is not possible for a player to travel during a dribble. A player is not dribbling while slapping the ball during a jump, when a pass rebounds from his/her hand, when he/she fumbles, or when he/she bats a rebound or pass away from other players who are attempting to get it. The player is not in control under these conditions. It is a dribble when a player stands still and bounces the ball. It is not a dribble when a player stands still and holds the ball and touches it to the floor once or more than once.

[Rich1]

A player or a team should not be permitted an advantage which is not intended by a rule.
Neither should play be permitted to develop which may lead to placing a player at a disadvantage not intended by a rule.

Could you use the above statement from the rules book (it is in the beginning) as a justification to call this a travel?

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Because they've already said the opposite :

4.15 COMMENT: It is not possible for a player to travel during a dribble. A player is not dribbling while slapping the ball during a jump, when a pass rebounds from his/her hand, when he/she fumbles, or when he/she bats a rebound or pass away from other players who are attempting to get it. The player is not in control under these conditions. It is a dribble when a player stands still and bounces the ball. It is not a dribble when a player stands still and holds the ball and touches it to the floor once or more than once.

Uh, yeah. That was my point. Changing that would make things a lot more simple.

(but your quote is not accurate, as it involves the player still holding the ball rather than releasing it; the best example of why putting the ball on the ground is not a dribble is that it is a travel to put it down and then stand up and pick it up--if putting it down was a dribble, that play would not be a travel)

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by stewcall

Team A in the back court rolls the ball in bounds. Player A2 bats the ball forward 4-5 times--- Clock starts at the first bat ball. The question for me is are the bat balls legal or illegal?

The forum consensus seems to be that the bats are legal and do not constitute dribbles. I agree with that conclusion.

So now. . . when does the 10-second backcourt count start?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by stewcall

Team A in the back court rolls the ball in bounds. Player A2 bats the ball forward 4-5 times

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

The forum consensus seems to be that the bats are legal and do not constitute dribbles. I agree with that conclusion. So now. . . when does the 10-second backcourt count start?

Start the ten second count when the offense controls (not just touches) the ball (holding or dribbling).