NCAA's "Opposite Table" Rationale

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Freddy

On Oct.28, 2007, Nevada posted this:

It is true that the NCAA is returning to the mechanic of the calling official going opposite the table this coming season.
There were two reasons given for this.
1. The coaches were engaging the officials in too many conversations and it was detracting from the flow and speed of the game.
2. The calling official was mostly becoming the Trail and then the Lead on the subsequent trip, so this official was in the most probable location to make another call. (You have to accept that the Lead official makes most of the calls in the 3-person system for this argument to hold water. That assumption may or may not be true.) It was concluded or perceived that the Center official was not participating very much in the game while the other two officials were making the majority of the calls and simply swapping back and forth. There had to be an off-ball call by the Center to get him into the mix and then the new Center was left out for a while. Right or wrong that is the explanation I was given by the top D-1 guys.

What I'm looking for is whatever rationale they published in the CCA manual or communicated in an NCAA bulletin on the topic back in 2007.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I got that information from a D1 guy who has worked two FFs. I can tell you that the NCAA was definitely aware of this issue. I don’t know if they ever publicly stated such in a written memo though.

Go to the 10th comment in the following thread regarding a study done by the SEC:

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...lege-game.html

MTD, Sr.


P.S. In the pre-rotation days of Three-Person Crews, whoever called a Foul would go Opposite the Table and become the new C.

[ilyazhito]

There was a time when there were no rotations in 3-person mechanics? I'm surprised, because ballside mechanics in 2-person crews have been a feature for a very long time, and 3-person also adopted ballside mechanics.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

There was a time when there were no rotations in 3-person mechanics? I'm surprised, because ballside mechanics in 2-person crews have been a feature for a very long time, and 3-person also adopted ballside mechanics.

Who said that?

The issue is true (given the assumption that L and T make more foul calls than C) whether there are rotations or not -- it would be worse, I think, if there were no rotations.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

There was a time when there were no rotations in 3-person mechanics? I'm surprised, because ballside mechanics in 2-person crews have been a feature for a very long time, and 3-person also adopted ballside mechanics.

Was that in the 80s? I do not remember that time at least when I started officiating.

Peace

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Go to the 10th comment in the following thread regarding a study done by the SEC:

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...lege-game.html

MTD, Sr.


P.S. In the pre-rotation days of Three-Person Crews, whoever called a Foul would go Opposite the Table and become the new C.

What is "pre-rotation days"? Does this mean that L going ballside did not cause the crew to rotate?

Opposite side keeps officials away from the heat after calling fouls, keeps officials engaged by moving a non-involved official to the tableside, and keeps coach-official conversations from slowing down the game.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

There was a time when there were no rotations in 3-person mechanics? I'm surprised, because ballside mechanics in 2-person crews have been a feature for a very long time, and 3-person also adopted ballside mechanics.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Was that in the 80s? I do not remember that time at least when I started officiating.

Peace

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

What is "pre-rotation days"? Does this mean that L going ballside did not cause the crew to rotate?

Opposite side keeps officials away from the heat after calling fouls, keeps officials engaged by moving a non-involved official to the tableside, and keeps coach-official conversations from slowing down the game.

Rotation Mechanics for both NFHS and NCAA Men's/Women's was not adopted until the late mid-1990s. My right leg will not allow me to climb up into "the attic" to go through my files to research the exact year(s) that the change was made but I remember attending Phil Bova's Camp in the early 1990s and we were taught Non-Rotation Mechanics.

I officiated the 1993 AAU Women's (which plays using NCAA Women's Rules) National Championship Tournament in April 1993 and the Lithuanian National Women's Team at the Univ. of Cincinnati (NCAA Women's Rules) and the Polish National Men's Team at Cleveland State Univ. (NCAA Men's Rules), both game in November 1993, and we used Non-Rotation Mechanics.

It was, maybe two years, after the 1993-94 season that the NCAA Men's and Women's went to Rotation Mechanics (the NFHS followed one year later if my memory is correct) because I attended a women's camp and the Rotation Mechanics for the CCA Women's Manual was still not set in stone. We were taught that the T, not the L would initiate the Rotation (think of trying to push a rope, ). But I remember that before that season started the Rotation procedure that we now use was adopted.

The positions for Non-Rotation Mechanics were: C was Opposite the Table (OT) with the L and T Table Side (TS). Whoever called a Foul would become the "new" C. If the "old" C was to become the "new" C then the L and T would switch.

So end's today's history lesson.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

The positions for Non-Rotation Mechanics were: C was Opposite the Table (OT) with the L and T Table Side (TS). Whoever called a Foul would become the "new" C. If the "old" C was to become the "new" C then the L and T would switch.

For the few three person games that we did back then (and continue to do now), I seem to remember it that way.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.'s post reminded me that I once officiated the Irish National Women's Team at Saint Joseph's College (West Hartford, CT).

Our assigner back then, a proud Irish American, sent two Irish American officials, with me, a direct paternal descendant of Niall of the Nine Hostages, King of Tara in northwestern Ireland in the late 4th century A.D., being selected for the honor.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

For the few three person games that we did back then (and continue to do now), I seem to remember it that way.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.'s post reminded me that I once officiated the Irish National Women's Team at Saint Joseph's College (West Hartford, CT).

Our assigner back then, a proud Irish American, sent two Irish American officials, with me, a direct paternal descendant of Niall of the Nine Hostages, King of Tara in northwestern Ireland in the late 4th century A.D., being selected for the honor.

The Polish Nat'l. Men's Team had an official that traveled with the team and officiated the game with us. He was a Civil Engineer whose specialty was Transportation Engineering and he spoke better English than all of us, .

He told his in our pregame that he would handle all communication with the players and coaches because no one spoke English, BUT they all were very well versed in the usage of a word that started with "f" and ended in "k" and all of its variants, .

He was also a chain smoker. CSU provided us with a nice boxed dinner after the game. After that game it took him less than 15 minutes to shower, change into street clothes, grab his dinner and make it to the team's bus so he could grab a smoke.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

... provided us with a nice boxed dinner after the game.

Irish women presented us with an Irish National Women's Team T-shirt (green, or course) and a shamrock pin. Still have them.

I gave them all miniature American flags.

Also from now on I would like to be addressed as BillyMac, Prince of Tara.

No need for a low bow, just a nod of the head will be appropriate.