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Old Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:37pm
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Wrong number

A1 starts the game with the wrong numbered uniform ( him and is twin brother switched jerseys on accident)3 mins into the game he fouls and itís discovered. What do you have?
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2019, 02:43am
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Change them both in the book and administer an administrative tech. 10-1-2c pen.
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:04am
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Even tho it was discovered after the ball became live. I thought the score keeper would have to catch it before the jump ball to start the game


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Old Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:33am
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Even tho it was discovered after the ball became live. I thought the score keeper would have to catch it before the jump ball to start the game


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That's true for some Ts, but not this one.
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:46am
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10-1-2c says when they occur

10-1-2e says when discovered( for identical numbers) canít have to players with same number

My thought is itís to late to penalize


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Old Fri Feb 22, 2019, 09:12am
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A1 starts the game with the wrong numbered uniform ( him and is twin brother switched jerseys on accident)3 mins into the game he fouls and itís discovered. What do you have?
Rules reference please


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Nothing. Both numbers are in the book and both numbers have the same last name annotated next to them.

Should have had a T before the ball became live for not having the correct starter marked.
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2019, 09:43am
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Binomial Nomenclature ...

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Nothing. Both numbers are in the book and both numbers have the same last name annotated next to them.
I'm not certain that this (nothing stated about first names) fulfills the purpose and intent of the rule. However, I'm not sure we could penalize two players with the same first and last names, even less sure about two players with same first, middle, and last names. Where does it end?

10-1: A team shall not:
ART. 1 Fail to supply the scorer with the name and number of each
team member who may participate and designate the five starting players at
least 10 minutes before the scheduled starting time.
PENALTY: (Art. 1) One foul for both requirements. Penalized when it
occurs.
ART. 2 After the 10-minute time limit specified in Article 1:
c. Require the scorer to change a team member’s or player’s number
in the scorebook.
d. Require a player to change to the number in the scorebook.
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2019, 10:11am
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Nothing. Both numbers are in the book and both numbers have the same last name annotated next to them.
When players have the same last name, there needs to be more in the book than just last names. First name or initial, whichever works.
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2019, 10:15am
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10-1-2c says when they occur
And it "occurs" when the scorer is required to change the number.
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2019, 10:29am
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I think it ďoccurred ď when the game started and wasnít caught by official scorer.

Then during the game it was discovered.

Nothing to late?




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Old Fri Feb 22, 2019, 10:34am
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I think it “occurred “ when the game started and wasn’t caught by official scorer.

Then during the game it was discovered.

Nothing to late?
You thought wrong.

The only infraction that, in order to be penalized, must be discovered before the ball becomes live to start the game is changing a designated starter.

The fact that an administrative T is assessed almost every time the book has to be fixed in the middle of a game should tell you something.
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2019, 10:47am
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Would if it was never discovered and he played the whole first half and didnít play in the second half


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Old Fri Feb 22, 2019, 10:54am
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Would if it was never discovered and he played the whole first half and didnít play in the second half
If the player had continued to play with the number he already had on his back, what change would have been needed in the book? What was listed next to the number he was wearing and the number his brother was wearing?
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2019, 11:00am
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Thatís my thought to Ray

The only time you would have a T is when/if the brother on the bench checked in


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Old Fri Feb 22, 2019, 12:03pm
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You Make The Call ...

Home scorebook says (these are the names and numbers that were submitted on time):
#22 Smith, John
#23 Smith, Michael

John is actually wearing #23 and Mike is actually wearing #22.

Neither has played. Both are on the bench when the error is discovered three minutes into the game. You make the call.

Mike has played. Both are on the bench when the error is discovered three minutes into the game. You make the call.

Mike is in the game when the error is discovered three minutes into the game. You make the call.
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