Throw-In, or Not?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

No where in the Throw-in Rule will one find the word "intent"

Is it implied in the definition of a throw-in pass: "an attempt to put the ball in play" (or something like that)? If the action was not such an attempt (e.g., it was just giving the ball to the person who was then to make such an attempt), it wouldn't be a throw-in pass and the restrictions wouldn't apply.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Is it implied in the definition of a throw-in pass: "an attempt to put the ball in play" (or something like that)? If the action was not such an attempt (e.g., it was just giving the ball to the person who was then to make such an attempt), it wouldn't be a throw-in pass and the restrictions wouldn't apply.

4-42-2 A throw-in is a method of putting the ball in play from out-of-bounds.

[thumpferee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

An obvious underhand toss to B2 who is near the end line and walking out of bounds. If B1 did that, I wouldn’t whistle a violation. The intent would be clear to me that the team wants B2 to inbound.

^This

Not even necessarily an underhand toss.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

A1 makes a FG. B1 takes the Ball completely OoB and is immediately Guarded by A1; the T starts a Five Second Count when B1 takes his position OoB with the Ball. B2, who is Inbounds starts toward B1 to become the Thrower and B1 tosses him the Ball and B2 catches the Ball while he is still at least three steps Inbounds as proceeds to walk OoB with the Ball. What do you have?

MTD, Sr.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

A1 makes a FG. B1 takes the Ball completely OoB and is immediately Guarded by A1; the T starts a Five Second Count when B1 takes his position OoB with the Ball. B2, who is Inbounds starts toward B1 to become the Thrower and B1 tosses him the Ball and B2 catches the Ball while he is still at least three steps Inbounds as proceeds to walk OoB with the Ball. What do you have?

MTD, Sr.

When B2, with the ball, has moved beyond the limitations of a pivot foot, traveling shall be called.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by bucky

When B2, with the ball, has moved beyond the limitations of a pivot foot, traveling shall be called.

This is correct, provided this:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

A1 makes a FG. B1 takes the Ball completely OoB and is immediately Guarded by A1; the T starts a Five Second Count when B1 takes his position OoB with the Ball. B2, who is Inbounds starts toward B1 to become the Thrower and B1 tosses him the Ball and B2 catches the Ball while he is still at least three steps Inbounds as proceeds to walk OoB with the Ball. What do you have?

MTD, Sr.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

A1 makes a FG. B1 takes the Ball completely OoB and is immediately Guarded by A1; the T starts a Five Second Count when B1 takes his position OoB with the Ball. B2, who is Inbounds starts toward B1 to become the Thrower and B1 tosses him the Ball and B2 catches the Ball while he is still at least three steps Inbounds as proceeds to walk OoB with the Ball. What do you have?

MTD, Sr.

An official who prematurely started a five-second count.

I passed on a potential violation tonight. Inner city girls team getting throttled by 20 in the second half. No press, girl has ball at disposal OOB after a made basket and I start my count. She hands the ball inbounds to a teammate who she wanted to be the thrower. Teammate with ball inbounds steps OOB and throws in the ball. Winning teams fans went nuts and started yelling how this isn’t 3rd grade anymore, blah blah blah. Technically a violation but I was ok passing on this one. Anything to wind up those fans (notorious for being bad).

[Freddy]

This happened last night:
Throw-In Foibles

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Freddy

This happened last night:
Throw-In Foibles

Nice video Freddy. Thanks.

Perfect for this thread.

Didn't like his signal.

Either pass on the call (topic of this thread), or call a travel.

He didn't pass, not sure what he called?

He had started his count when the first player (barely) got out of bounds, so he ruled ball was at disposal.

Was his count (as Nevadaref stated) premature?

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Didn't like his signal... He didn't pass, not sure what he called?... Was his count premature?

He was somewhat surprised in a momentary lapse of complacency by what occurred during the waning running minutes of a 50-point game. Verbalized, after a late whistle, that it was a traveling violation but didn't signal it. What was going through his mind was, "Hey, that's just about exactly what happened in that thread on the officiating.com forum we've been discussing this past week." You have all that going through your mind at that moment, you'd forget to signal too.
Not sure who the official is...

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

An official who prematurely started a five-second count.

1) When is the Five Second Count to begin? When the Ball is at the Disposal of the Throwing Team.

2) What is one of the ways for the Ball to be at the Disposal of the Throwing Team? When a Player of the Throwing Team has PC of the Ball and is completely Out-of-Bounds.

3) A1's FGA is successful. B1 takes possession of the Ball and then takes the Ball and positions himself completely Out-of-Bounds behind Team B's Backcourt End Line. When is the Ball at Team B's Disposal? RULING: When B1 positions himself completely Out-of-Bounds behind Team B's Backcourt End Line. Also, see Item (1) above.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

What is one of the ways for the Ball to be at the Disposal of the Throwing Team? When a Player of the Throwing Team has PC of the Ball and is completely Out-of-Bounds.

Like, "When a Player of the Throwing Team has PC of the Ball and is completely Out-of-Bounds", but is this NFHS rule language based, or intent and purpose based?

4-4-7-d: A ball is at the disposal of a player when it is: Available to a player after a goal and the official begins the throw-in count.

Also like, "one of the ways", allowing for some odd occurrences (i.e., nobody shows up to make the inbounds pay).

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Like, "When a Player of the Throwing Team has PC of the Ball and is completely Out-of-Bounds", but is this NFHS rule language based, or intent and purpose based?

4-4-7-d: A ball is at the disposal of a player when it is: Available to a player after a goal and the official begins the throw-in count.

Also like, "one of the ways", allowing for some odd occurrences (i.e., nobody shows up to make the inbounds pay).

Yes and yes.

MTD, Sr.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

An official who prematurely started a five-second count.

Can't tell if Nevada is serious? I am going to presume that he is joking. I doubt that Nevada would let B3 then do it, then B4, then B5, then B1 again, etc. for eternity.