Throw in after TO

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Fair point. But both teams deserve to know during the timeout, not after the timeout, where the ball will be handed or bounced in. That's why mechanics dictate that we stand on that spot with the ball.

Once the ball is handed or bounced, the offensive team can go anywhere along the endline that it wants to go.

What spot? The throw-in spot? There is no throw-in spot. The throw-in is from anywhere along the end line. The throw in starts when the ball is handed to the thrower or caught by the thrower if it is bounced. The thrower should be allowed to start the throw-in where he chooses. It is up to the official to get him the ball.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What spot? The throw-in spot? There is no throw-in spot. The throw-in is from anywhere along the end line. The throw in starts when the ball is handed to the thrower or caught by the thrower if it is bounced. The thrower should be allowed to start the throw-in where he chooses. It is up to the official to get him the ball.

Unless your name is Heisenberg, you're going to give them the ball at a spot. If they want to move, they can certainly do so but I don't think you can give them the ball anywhere but a spot.

Just like after an uninterrupted made basket, the ball is where it is. They can't demand to have someone give it to them elsewhere. If I'm handing it to them, they're coming to the side of the basket I'm on. Then, they can make the throw from wherever they wish.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The thrower should be allowed to start the throw-in where he chooses.

Originally Posted by just another ref

What spot? The throw-in spot?

I don't have a rule or caseplay contrary to your statement. But in the mechanics manual there is a reason why we stand with the ball at the spot where we will hand or bounce it to the inbounder.

That's the spot I'm talking about.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

They can't demand to have someone give it to them elsewhere. If I'm handing it to them, they're coming to the side of the basket I'm on. Then, they can make the throw from wherever they wish

Agree.

Or, maybe we could run back and forth with the player along the endline and give the ball to them when they ask for it? That will certainly confuse the defense.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What spot? The throw-in spot? There is no throw-in spot.

True. But there has to be an administering spot.

I'm not running back and forth with the player along the endline and giving the ball to them when they ask for it.

Nor am I asking where the inbounder wants the ball, potentially requiring me to move around the inbounder (boxing in) and requiring my partner to switch sides.

I'm pointing to an administering spot where they should be to initially accept the ball from me (my partner and I in the same position as before the timeout), and then I'm vocally stating and signalling "Run the endline" before subsequently bouncing (or handing) the ball to the inbounder.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

True. But there has to be an administering spot.

I'm not running back and forth with the player along the endline and giving the ball to them when they ask for it.

Nor am I asking where the inbounder wants the ball, potentially requiring me to move around the inbounder (boxing in) and requiring my partner to switch sides.

I'm pointing to an administering spot where they should be to initially accept the ball from me (my partner and I in the same position as before the timeout), and then I'm vocally stating and signalling "Run the endline" before subsequently bouncing (or handing) the ball to the inbounder.

You dug up a dormant thread just to say this? A point that you and others already made.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

You dug up a dormant thread just to say this?

No, I dug it up in its entirety to add to a much more recent (and very slightly similar) "where on the endline" thread that I posted to today. Only then did I decide to tack on a new post to the two-plus year old thread.

If you read them out of order, the context may seem confusing, and I can understand your concern for this Lazarus-like raising.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Reminds me of a earlier Forum discussion we had regarding where to administer a run the endline throwin after a timeout where the inbounder wants the ball at a location that is different from the location before the timeout.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

No, I dug it up in its entirety to add to a much more recent (and very slightly similar) "where on the endline" thread that I posted to today. Only then did I decide to tack on a new post to the two-plus year old thread.

If you read them out of order, the context may seem confusing, and I can understand your concern for this Lazarus-like raising.

So you couldn't let us decide to click on the link in the more recent thread? You had to add a comment to the dormant thread that added no more information?

You said this in January 2019: "Fair point. But both teams deserve to know during the timeout, not after the timeout, where the ball will be handed or bounced in. That's why mechanics dictate that we stand on that spot with the ball.

Once the ball is handed or bounced, the offensive team can go anywhere along the endline that it wants to go. "

Geez, quit always trying to suck others into your boredom.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

So you couldn't let us decide to click on the link in the more recent thread? You had to add a comment to the dormant thread that added no more information?

New post wasn't added to encourage clicks, but to better respond to just another ref's questions of, "What spot? The throw-in spot?" after I came up with some new verbiage, "administration spot".

I don't see the phrase "administration spot" in any earlier posts in that very old thread, so contrary to Raymond's post, there actually is added information.

Only took me two-plus years to come up with that new verbiage.

Administration Spot © 2021 BillyMac

[BillyMac]

While researching a different topic (free throw whistle after timeout) in the current IAABO (not the NFHS) mechanics manual, I came across this: Officials do not switch positions after a timeout.

While it most certainly refers to the basketball official's definition of "switch" (as in lead and trail switch after a foul is called), maybe it can also mean the generic definition of "switch" (as in positions are not to be changed and positions are to be as prior to the timeout being granted (italicized words used to be in the IAABO mechanics manual, but are no longer there).

Yeah, I know, it's a stretch.

Is there anything in the NFHS mechanics manual regarding where to administer a run the endline throwin after a timeout where the inbounder (or coach) wants the ball at a location that is different from the location before the timeout? Especially where it would involve officials moving from their positions prior to the timeout?