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Old Tue Mar 16, 2021, 10:30am
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How many of us sound our whistle for every free throw air ball violation? Or do some us only sound our whistle for air ball free throw violations when there will be rebounders (i.e., not for the first of two, or not for a technical foul free throw as in the video)? If so, why not for every free throw air ball violation (it is a violation)? Not to embarrass the free throw shooter more than he already is? After all, the scorekeeper and everybody else in the gym knows that the airball free throw was definitely unsuccessful so no whistle is needed (although it's probably required).

Another free throw whistle question.

How many of us sound our whistle before a free throw following a timeout (as we do before a throwin following a timeout, or intermission)?

For me, I only whistle air ball free throw violations when there will be rebounders; and I almost never whistle before a free throw following a timeout. Right or wrong, this (both) is what most of us do here in my little corner of Connecticut.
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Old Tue Mar 16, 2021, 12:29pm
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Another free throw whistle question.

How many of us sound our whistle before a free throw following a timeout (as we do before a throwin following a timeout, or intermission)?

For me, I only whistle air ball free throw violations when there will be rebounders; and I never whistle before a free throw following a timeout. Right or wrong, this (both) is what most of us do here in my little corner of Connecticut.
I sound the whistle each time there are free throws following a timeout, as it isn't different than a throw-in. There may be music playing or other activity occurring and the whistle brings everyone's attention back to the game.

The IAABO manual shows this on pages 91 & 218. The Federation manual doesn't explicitly state this, instead only referring to the succeeding throw-in to resume play.
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Old Tue Mar 16, 2021, 12:41pm
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I sound the whistle each time there are free throws following a timeout, as it isn't different than a throw-in. There may be music playing or other activity occurring and the whistle brings everyone's attention back to the game. The IAABO manual shows this on pages 91 & 218.
Thanks for the citation Mike Goodwin.

I know that we're wrong, I understand the rationale, and we were actually reminded to do this a few years ago by our local interpreter, but old habits die hard.

All of my local guys would sound their whistle if there was music still playing, or if there were cheerleaders still on the court, but most probably not at other times.

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The Federation manual doesn't explicitly state this, instead only referring to the succeeding throw-in to resume play.
Maybe this why many of my local colleagues, including me, are reluctant to do this.

Older, more experienced officials, like me, on my local board were taught and used NFHS mechanics before switching to IAABO mechanics.


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Old Tue Mar 16, 2021, 01:31pm
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Older, more experienced officials, like me, on my local board were taught and used NFHS mechanics before switching to IAABO mechanics.
Funnily enough, I was brought up on IAABO mechanics starting in 1985 (also making me old), but I don't distinctly remember sounding the whistle before free throw(s) following a time-out until I "discovered" it in the manual in 2016 or 2017. Older manuals didn't specifically state it before then (though my library is far less complete than that of MTD, Sr.).

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All of my local guys would sound their whistle if there was music still playing, or if there were cheerleaders still on the court, but most probably not at other times.
Ah, so it isn't quite an 'old dog, new trick' thing!
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Old Tue Mar 16, 2021, 01:59pm
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I was an IAABO cadet in 2015, so my first edition of the manual was the 2015-16 one. I believe it had blowing the whistle after a timeout before a free throw in it. Because it is in the IAABO manual, I blow my whistle after a timeout and before a free throw attempt as Lead (because I am the administering official). I also blow the whistle on all airball free throws and free throws that hit the backboard but not the ring if I have responsibility for the free thrower (Trail in a crew of 2, Center in a crew of 3).
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Old Tue Mar 16, 2021, 02:26pm
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Not for a situation like this, I doubt I would blow the whistle. The ball is already dead and the ball was not going to be live on a miss. So no need IMO to blow the whistle for the most part. Nothing wrong if you do, just not a need.

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Old Tue Mar 16, 2021, 02:32pm
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I "discovered" it in the manual in 2016 or 2017 ...
I also "discovered" it accidently, but chose to keep it my secret and ignore it, thinking it was not be be used locally since (we do have some local mechanics that aren't quite IAABO kosher) up until that point it had never been mentioned as a change by our local interpreter, who only mentioned it quite recently, and only in response to a mechanics refresher exam question.
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Old Tue Mar 16, 2021, 03:46pm
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The whistle prior to administering FTs upon resuming play following a time-out is in the NFHS mechanics.
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Old Tue Mar 16, 2021, 04:23pm
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The whistle prior to administering FTs upon resuming play following a time-out is in the NFHS mechanics.
I've been through the officials manual cover to cover and can't find that reference, Nevada. Where is it?!

Resuming play after a time-out or intermission is at 4.4.4.D.4 (p.56) 5.4.4.D.4 and (p.91) but only refers to a throw-in, not free throws.
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Old Tue Mar 16, 2021, 06:37pm
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Older, more experienced officials, like me, on my local board were taught and used NFHS mechanics before switching to IAABO mechanics.
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... whistle before free throw(s) following a time-out until I "discovered" it in the manual in 2016 or 2017. Older manuals didn't specifically state it before then ...
IAABO switched from NFHS mechanics to IAABO mechanics in 2004-05. So it must have taken about twelve years to change the mechanic to a whistle before a free throw after a timeout.
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... I don't distinctly remember sounding the whistle before free throw(s) following a time-out until I "discovered" it in the manual in 2016 or 2017. Older manuals didn't specifically state it before then ...
Whistle before a free throw after a timeout first appeared in the IAABO mechanics manual in 2011-12, but I do not remember it being publicized: When a timeout is followed by a free throw, sound the whistle prior to administering the free throw.
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The whistle prior to administering FTs upon resuming play following a time-out is in the NFHS mechanics.
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I've been through the officials manual cover to cover and can't find that reference ... Resuming play after a time-out or intermission is at 4.4.4.D.4 (p.56) 5.4.4.D.4 and (p.91) but only refers to a throw-in, not free throws.
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Old Wed Mar 17, 2021, 02:53pm
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"Let me sleep on it..." because I'm waiting to see what Nevada comes back with. My search was fruitless.
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Old Wed Mar 17, 2021, 03:32pm
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What's It Gonna Be Boy ??? Paradise By The Dashboard Light (Meat Loaf, 1977)
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"Let me sleep on it..."
Nice to know we have Forum members who appreciate good music (and baseball Hall of Fame member Phil Rizzuto).

I've actually got this vinyl album.

Young'uns can look up the references on the Google.

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Old Wed Mar 17, 2021, 04:31pm
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Nice to know we have Forum members who appreciate good music (and baseball Hall of Fame member Phil Rizzuto).

I've actually got this vinyl album.

Young'uns can look up the references on the Google.

I can't sing to save my soul, but there was a time I could do Phil Rizzuto's part.
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