Throw in after TO

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

All of this should be the throwing team’s option. The rules of the game are not written for the convenience of the officials. Move!

That's great for the offensive team, what about the defensive team? During the timeout the defensive coach sticks his head out of the huddle and asks, "Where's the ball?", your partner points to you with the ball, the coach goes back into his huddle and sets up his defense accordingly. After the timeout the offensive team now asks for a different throwin location.

Is that fair to the defensive team?

Mechanics teach us to always stand with the ball at the after timeout throwin location, there's a reason for this mechanic, so that both teams know where the ball will be administered to the inbounder.

We've discussed this before. Can anybody find it?

Originally Posted by AremRed

Force girl to start inbound on your side of the basket, just tell her to run across the lane as it only takes a second anyway.

My opinion. Officials should stay in the same positions as before the timeout, but it's just my opinion, don't have a rule, or caseplay to back it up.

Originally Posted by AremRed

Bounce the ball across the lane to where the girl is starting.

I'm not a big fan of bouncing the ball across the lane, never allowed by IAABO mechanics.

[JRutledge]

I have to agree with Billy here. I am not a fan of moving at the last minute. If you ask me beforehand to put the ball on one side of the other, at least I can inform my partners. Otherwise, I am staying where we were at the end of the play and before the timeout.

And what if it is seconds? Now I am setting up in a way that I might want to have the Center opposite because the last second shot might be easier to call in that coverage. If I go to the other side, now we have other issues.

Unless there is a mandate or some clarification, I am not going to hand the ball to the other side. Again, rarely asked for in my experience and the one time it was asked of me, the coach wanted us to move right after a FT and substitution. Never heard the request before and never since. Just not what we should be doing IMO.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

That's great for the offensive team, what about the defensive team? During the timeout the defensive coach sticks his head out of the huddle and asks, "Where's the ball?", your partner points to you with the ball, the coach goes back into his huddle and sets up his defense accordingly. After the timeout the offensive team now asks for a different throwin location.

Is that fair to the defensive team?

Mechanics teach us to always stand with the ball at the after timeout throwin location, there's a reason for this mechanic, so that both teams know where the ball will be administered to the inbounder.

We've discussed this before. Can anybody find it?



My opinion. Officials should stay in the same positions as before the timeout, but it's just my opinion, don't have a rule, or caseplay to back it up.



I'm not a big fan of bouncing the ball across the lane, never allowed by IAABO mechanics.

The answer to the coach should be “along the end line” or “they have the entire end line, coach.”

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The answer to the coach should be “along the end line” or “they have the entire end line, coach.”

Fair point. But both teams deserve to know during the timeout, not after the timeout, where the ball will be handed or bounced in. That's why mechanics dictate that we stand on that spot with the ball.

Once the ball is handed or bounced, the offensive team can go anywhere along the endline that it wants to go.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Fair point. But both teams deserve to know during the timeout, not after the timeout, where the ball will be handed or bounced in. That's why mechanics dictate that we stand on that spot with the ball.

Once the ball is handed or bounced, the offensive team can go anywhere along the endline that it wants to go.

What spot? The throw-in spot? There is no throw-in spot. The throw-in is from anywhere along the end line. The throw in starts when the ball is handed to the thrower or caught by the thrower if it is bounced. The thrower should be allowed to start the throw-in where he chooses. It is up to the official to get him the ball.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What spot? The throw-in spot? There is no throw-in spot. The throw-in is from anywhere along the end line. The throw in starts when the ball is handed to the thrower or caught by the thrower if it is bounced. The thrower should be allowed to start the throw-in where he chooses. It is up to the official to get him the ball.

Unless your name is Heisenberg, you're going to give them the ball at a spot. If they want to move, they can certainly do so but I don't think you can give them the ball anywhere but a spot.

Just like after an uninterrupted made basket, the ball is where it is. They can't demand to have someone give it to them elsewhere. If I'm handing it to them, they're coming to the side of the basket I'm on. Then, they can make the throw from wherever they wish.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The thrower should be allowed to start the throw-in where he chooses.

Originally Posted by just another ref

What spot? The throw-in spot?

I don't have a rule or caseplay contrary to your statement. But in the mechanics manual there is a reason why we stand with the ball at the spot where we will hand or bounce it to the inbounder.

That's the spot I'm talking about.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

They can't demand to have someone give it to them elsewhere. If I'm handing it to them, they're coming to the side of the basket I'm on. Then, they can make the throw from wherever they wish

Agree.

Or, maybe we could run back and forth with the player along the endline and give the ball to them when they ask for it? That will certainly confuse the defense.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What spot? The throw-in spot? There is no throw-in spot.

True. But there has to be an administering spot.

I'm not running back and forth with the player along the endline and giving the ball to them when they ask for it.

Nor am I asking where the inbounder wants the ball, potentially requiring me to move around the inbounder (boxing in) and requiring my partner to switch sides.

I'm pointing to an administering spot where they should be to initially accept the ball from me (my partner and I in the same position as before the timeout), and then I'm vocally stating and signalling "Run the endline" before subsequently bouncing (or handing) the ball to the inbounder.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

True. But there has to be an administering spot.

I'm not running back and forth with the player along the endline and giving the ball to them when they ask for it.

Nor am I asking where the inbounder wants the ball, potentially requiring me to move around the inbounder (boxing in) and requiring my partner to switch sides.

I'm pointing to an administering spot where they should be to initially accept the ball from me (my partner and I in the same position as before the timeout), and then I'm vocally stating and signalling "Run the endline" before subsequently bouncing (or handing) the ball to the inbounder.

You dug up a dormant thread just to say this? A point that you and others already made.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

You dug up a dormant thread just to say this?

No, I dug it up in its entirety to add to a much more recent (and very slightly similar) "where on the endline" thread that I posted to today. Only then did I decide to tack on a new post to the two-plus year old thread.

If you read them out of order, the context may seem confusing, and I can understand your concern for this Lazarus-like raising.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Reminds me of a earlier Forum discussion we had regarding where to administer a run the endline throwin after a timeout where the inbounder wants the ball at a location that is different from the location before the timeout.