D3 Player Takes Cheap Shot

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by NCHSAA

...The assignor for the Big South and Conference Carolina's has instilled this coverage area in his staff - Lead take the corner 3, Trail look in the lane, along with Slot.

That's NBA and NCAA-W's coverage. I work Pro-Am every summer for 2 NBA officials and it's the coverage that NCAA-M's and HS officials have to adjust to when working for them.

[NCHSAA]

Originally Posted by Raymond

That's NBA and NCAA-W's coverage. I work Pro-Am every summer for 2 NBA officials and it's the coverage that NCAA-M's and HS officials have to adjust to when working for them.

I know. I love it. You would think the NCAA-M would recognize that they are the "odd man out".

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by NCHSAA

I know. I love it. You would think the NCAA-M would recognize that they are the "odd man out".

NBA is a different game. In he NBA, once the ball hits that corner a shot is going up. In NCAA and HS the ball may whip around a couple times or will get dumped down to a post player. And I'm pretty good with geometry, and I don't believe the Trail can better see secondary defenders and the RA than the Lead can. I like the NCAA-M's mechanic of the Lead mirroring the ball and opening up to help in the corner but maintaining primary coverage of the post. The NBA also allows a lot of contact in the post that NCAA and NFHS officials are supposed to clean up. Only official who has an angle to see in between the defender and offensive player in the post, especially on initial setup, is the Lead. Additionally, at the NCAA and HS levels, we have infinitely more backcourt pressure, so the Lead is often the only official available to monitor the post for the first 8-10 seconds of a possession. In the NBA, the Trail pretty much can ignore the ball-handler bringing the ball up the court and immediately set their sights on the post area.

[NCHSAA]

Originally Posted by Raymond

NBA is a different game. In he NBA, once the ball hits that corner a shot is going up. In NCAA and HS the ball may whip around a couple times or will get dumped down to a post player. And I'm pretty good with geometry, and I don't believe the Trail can better see secondary defenders and the RA than the Lead can. I like the NCAA-M's mechanic of the Lead mirroring the ball and opening up to help in the corner but maintaining primary coverage of the post. The NBA also allows a lot of contact in the post that NCAA and NFHS officials are supposed to clean up. Only official who has an angle to see in between the defender and offensive player in the post, especially on initial setup, is the Lead. Additionally, at the NCAA and HS levels, we have infinitely more backcourt pressure, so the Lead is often the only official available to monitor the post for the first 8-10 seconds of a possession. In the NBA, the Trail pretty much can ignore the ball-handler bringing the ball up the court and immediately set their sights on the post area.

True. The spread is different. However, a drive with a secondary defender is another scenario. The ball won't be in the corner. I am speaking from a shot in the corner standpoint on Lead getting wide and taking a look at the shot. Same situation with a double team in the corner. Get wide and look.

Last year, I had a game where if the Lead had not opened up and taken a look on a 3 point shot in the corner, we would have missed a foul during the critical point in the game (under 4 minutes). The Trail was looking right at it, but didn't think it was a foul, yet it was clearly a foul.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by NCHSAA

True. The spread is different. However, a drive with a secondary defender is another scenario. The ball won't be in the corner. I am speaking from a shot in the corner standpoint on Lead getting wide and taking a look at the shot. Same situation with a double team in the corner. Get wide and look.

Last year, I had a game where if the Lead had not opened up and taken a look on a 3 point shot in the corner, we would have missed a foul during the critical point in the game (under 4 minutes). The Trail was looking right at it, but didn't think it was a foul, yet it was clearly a foul.

Here's another thing about 3-pointers in the corner. The foul is either going to come from directly in front of the shooter or from the side of the court away from the Lead, it's never going to come from the side closer to the sideline.

I worked a college game last week that I'm still watching on Synergy, and I had a foul on a 3-point shooter in the corner where he got hit on the side of his right elbow, which the Lead would have had no way of seeing.

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[NCHSAA]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Here's another thing about 3-pointers in the corner. The foul is either going to come from directly in front of the shooter or from the side of the court away from the Lead, it's never going to come from the side closer to the sideline.

I worked a college game last week that I'm still watching on Synergy, and I had a foul on a 3-point shooter in the corner where he got hit on the side of his right elbow, which the Lead would have had no way of seeing.

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Was the contact on the front of the elbow with the defensive player coming toward the offensive player or on the right side of the elbow with the defensive player going from Trail to Lead?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by NCHSAA

Was the contact on the front of the elbow with the defensive player coming toward the offensive player or on the right side of the elbow with the defensive player going from Trail to Lead?

Right-handed shooter, left side next to end line. Defender was in front, but swiped with his left hand (away from end line) and hit the outside of the shooter's right elbow as he was elevating.

(BTW, this is the type of discussion new officials trying to get into college ball should be focusing on, not whether an NBA player can dangle from the rim after a time-out)

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by NCHSAA

Last year, I had a game where if the Lead had not opened up and taken a look on a 3 point shot in the corner, we would have missed a foul during the critical point in the game (under 4 minutes). The Trail was looking right at it, but didn't think it was a foul, yet it was clearly a foul.

That's a "problem" with the official, not with the specified coverage. In your play, the official who was the trail *might have been* the L, looked at the play, and decided it wasn't a foul. The official who was the lead *might have been* the trail and now either goes out of his area ("what's he even doing looking there?") or the foul gets missed.