Player and Referee Brawl

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

Unfortunately, that example does not relate to the OP. There HAS to be clarity and recognition that dealing with minors (under the age of 18) and adults is incredibly different.

Here's a few comments from legal professionals as it relates to an adult asking if he has the right to fight back against a 16 year old, if the kid initiated a physical confrontation. Take heed. You may not like it, but it's reality. In addition, you likely would not be officiating youth sports anymore, especially if your engagement in the violence causes harm to a minor.

"It is simply better to turn away and not engage him. You can only use self defense as a defense when charged with a crime. What you are contemplating is actually being arrested and charged with harassment or third degree assault and then raising self defense as an affirmative defense. My suggestion is to not expose yourself to a night or weekend in jail, pretrial serves, posting bond, hiring an attorney, etc. Any incident could very well be viewed by law enforcement as at least disorderly conduct of having a mutual fight. You simply don't want to go down this long and expensive path. No one is going to advise you as an adult to strike anyone, let alone a child."

"Nothing but bad things will come from you striking a 16 year old."

I'm not a teacher so I do not really care. I am a parent and if the right thing happens I will knock out a 16-year-old if they are doing something to my child or if they are harming my wife. When you say this, keep in mind you are doing this through a very narrow lens. Because you must realize that 16-year-olds might commit crimes where they will be confronted. This just happens to be a situation at a sporting event, but not all situations are at sporting events or even in schools where kids have assaulted people or been involved in mob mentality.

You might be right, but I will take my chances when one comes after me and starts throwing punches. If I am an official I am still a person underneath the shirt.

Peace

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am a parent and if the right thing happens I will knock out a 16-year-old if they are doing something to my child or if they are harming my wife.

Wait...what? This discussion was never about defending a wife or child. Let's stay on topic and point.

[deecee]

Man the what ifs and walking on water here. Coulda, shoulda, woulda, but actually did get assaulted by a bunch of "kids" who happen to be bigger than him. I love excuses for crappy behavior.

It's why I always tell women to not dress provocatively it only incites men, and that in turn is their fault for dressing provocatively.

[IUgrad92]

"We haven't had anybody come forward to file a report on it," Kyle Teems, chief of police in Emerson, Georgia, told ESPN. "Obviously, there is something that happened there. No one has come forward yet."

Possibly an error in judgement by these officials to not file a report???

Or perhaps, maybe if they did take it to the police, their own behinds might be in trouble.....

[Rich]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

"We haven't had anybody come forward to file a report on it," Kyle Teems, chief of police in Emerson, Georgia, told ESPN. "Obviously, there is something that happened there. No one has come forward yet."



Possibly an error in judgement by these officials to not file a report???



Or perhaps, maybe if they did take it to the police, their own behinds might be in trouble.....

Keep blaming the victims.


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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by deecee

It's why I always tell women to not dress provocatively it only incites men, and that in turn is their fault for dressing provocatively.

Originally Posted by Rich

Keep blaming the victims.

I couldn't just sit back. Of course, moderators are free to delete.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

"We haven't had anybody come forward to file a report on it," Kyle Teems, chief of police in Emerson, Georgia, told ESPN. "Obviously, there is something that happened there. No one has come forward yet."

Possibly an error in judgement by these officials to not file a report???

Or perhaps, maybe if they did take it to the police, their own behinds might be in trouble.....

Just stop. You’re trying too hard.

Hopefully someone with legal knowledge can answer....at what point in this incident does the "acting in self-defense" privilege end?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Hopefully someone with legal knowledge can answer....at what point in this incident does the "acting in self-defense" privilege end?

I would think this would be based on the location of the incident. Because I know there are different rules in some states like Florida for Stand your Ground laws that would not apply in other states. I guess it would depend on many factors.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Hopefully someone with legal knowledge can answer....at what point in this incident does the "acting in self-defense" privilege end?

Not a legal answer but Jeff's point is certainly valid....it probably depends on the jurisdiction.

However, many cases I've observed turn from self-defense once the other party is going away from you and you seek re-engagement.

This incident in this video stopped being self-defense about 30 seconds into the video when the referee pushed through someone standing in his way to go after someone.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Wait...what? This discussion was never about defending a wife or child. Let's stay on topic and point.

It was said basically there was no reason to get into with a 16-year-old in any case. I showed this to my wife and she had a visceral position and even suggested that she would likely do something if faced with this situation. So yes there are situations were not alone or without people that might also take a position on what is going on. I also do not know the relationship of all the officials in this case either. There might have been some family members involved. If there is no reason to react as a human, then own it for all situations when you take that position.

I was at a tournament yesterday with 70 courts where some people had family members working as officials or working with family members. I would doubt there is just a "walk away" attitude if certain things go down in certain places. This is the topic. When you suggest there is nothing that we should do because we have the magical stripped shirt on, you are not taking into all the accounts of what could happen. Just because it is not what you imagined in your mind, does not mean making these points are not apart of the conversation. Many of us have life experience in these situations you might not have.

Peace