Vid request: Wash vs OSU - 2 whistles for phantom foul?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Raymond

1) I believe that is a block on its own merits, but it is most definitely a block with the RA

Or, did he pull the foul out and forward before contact, perhaps, giving him a position outside of the RA? I couldn't tell for sure, but it seems possible.

Play 1: Block, even without foot in RA. From Lead looks like a PC though.

Play 2: It's a foul, and a slip. Defenders knee, then offensive player slips.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Or, did he pull the foul out and forward before contact, perhaps, giving him a position outside of the RA? I couldn't tell for sure, but it seems possible.

If he does that, then hasn't he given up LGP, so it's still a block?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If he does that, then hasn't he given up LGP, so it's still a block?

Only if he is still moving forward at the time of contact. Moving forward along doesn't netgate LGP, it can still be maintained even when moving towards the opponent if that forward motion has ceased before contact.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Only if he is still moving forward at the time of contact. Moving forward along doesn't netgate LGP, it can still be maintained even when moving towards the opponent if that forward motion has ceased before contact.

Yes -- if he pulled the foot forward, then it was still moving at the time of contact -- it may or may not have been removed from the RA

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes -- if he pulled the foot forward, then it was still moving at the time of contact -- it may or may not have been removed from the RA

You can see from one of the angles that his upper body is moving forward and sideways at the time of contact.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes -- if he pulled the foot forward, then it was still moving at the time of contact -- it may or may not have been removed from the RA

While that might be the case, I don't believe it is necessarily the case. I can easily see that a player could stop moving forward (based on the torso) but not put the foot back down.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

While that might be the case, I don't believe it is necessarily the case. I can easily see that a player could stop moving forward (based on the torso) but not put the foot back down.

Hmmm -- this might be a rule differenca. I think the NCAAW rule is that if initial LGP is inside the RA, it's a block (unless the player re-establishes LGP outside the RA, and, of course, assuming the rest of the conditions are met). I know if the player establishes LGP outside the RA, the player can back into the RA and be legal.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Hmmm -- this might be a rule differenca. I think the NCAAW rule is that if initial LGP is inside the RA, it's a block (unless the player re-establishes LGP outside the RA, and, of course, assuming the rest of the conditions are met). I know if the player establishes LGP outside the RA, the player can back into the RA and be legal.

I know this is semantics, but initial LGP cannot be established within the RA, because by definition that isn't LGP, correct?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Hmmm -- this might be a rule differenca. I think the NCAAW rule is that if initial LGP is inside the RA, it's a block (unless the player re-establishes LGP outside the RA, and, of course, assuming the rest of the conditions are met). I know if the player establishes LGP outside the RA, the player can back into the RA and be legal.

Good point. In this case, you could argue that the player started from a position outside of the RA (perhaps obtaining LGP), stepped side ways into it, then stepped forward. It is never called that way, but it could be argued.

[#olderthanilook]

I hope the Fed never brings the RA into the high school game.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Or, did he pull the foul out and forward before contact, perhaps, giving him a position outside of the RA? I couldn't tell for sure, but it seems possible.

He attempted to pull his foot forward, but it was still in the air at the time of contact. And his left shoulder was moving forward at the time of contact.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Raymond

He attempted to pull his foot forward, but it was still in the air at the time of contact. And his left shoulder was moving forward at the time of contact.

I agree with the block for the body still moving forward. But does the foot actually have to be on the floor to have LGP? What if the player gets out of the RA entirely (perhaps by several inches), stops moving forward and jumps straight up without touching the 2nd foot down outside the RA?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I agree with the block for the body still moving forward. But does the foot actually have to be on the floor to have LGP? What if the player gets out of the RA entirely (perhaps by several inches), stops moving forward and jumps straight up without touching the 2nd foot down outside the RA?

Don't have access to rules right now, but under guarding there is verbiage about 2 feet must be on ground to re-establish LGP.

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[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Don't have access to rules right now, but under guarding there is verbiage about 2 feet must be on ground to re-establish LGP.

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True, but if the player had it before sliding over into the RA, doesn't such a player maintain it and not have to reestablish it at all. (I did mention earlier that it could be argued that the player may have had LGP before stepping into the RA).