Fouling bad ft shooter away from ball

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by thedewed

So apparently in college hack-a-shaq is in play, you can file someone off ball as long as you're not bear hugging them if you just body them knock them off their path when they're running or did your forearm into them, you can put them to the line whether the ball is in their hands are not correct? Because that's what happened. I don't have a way to get video on it, but I assure you this is going to be in a bigger issue in the next week or two. It used to be when I left college that if it was away from the ball like that it was going to be intentional. I think the word intentional was taken out of the rule in about 2011 to clarify that contact didn't have to be intentional to be penalized when the crazy over elbows to the Head became a deal. Interesting

Intentional fouls are F1's in college.

HS or college, the first time this is attempted I'm telling the offender that if I blow my whistle it will be for an intentional/F1. Then when I get a chance I will inform the HC or an AC from that team.

Actually had this situation in a HS game last week and did exactly I say above.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Intentional fouls are F1's in college.

HS or college, the first time this is attempted I'm telling the offender that if I blow my whistle it will be for an intentional/F1. Then when I get a chance I will inform the HC or an AC from that team.

Actually had this situation in a HS game last week and did exactly I say above.

So wait, did you call the common foul first, and then give the warning? Or did you see them attempting the foul, and chose not to call it and warn them to stop or it will be intentional?

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by frezer11

So wait, did you call the common foul first, and then give the warning? Or did you see them attempting the foul, and chose not to call it and warn them to stop or it will be intentional?

I believe he is saying the latter and I've done the same thing in a HS game.

I told the kid, this is not the NBA and his actions would be deemed an intentional foul.

He stopped immediately. Next opportunity I had, I informed the coach as well.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

I believe he is saying the latter and I've done the same thing in a HS game.

I told the kid, this is not the NBA and his actions would be deemed an intentional foul.

He stopped immediately. Next opportunity I had, I informed the coach as well.

Funny, when I told the player what the consequence would be if I called his foul, he told me I was terrible, and my response was "This isn't the NBA".

I went to his AC during the next time-out to explain the situation and AC immediately told me he knew what I was talking about and that he would handle it.

[JRutledge]

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[Raymond]

I think Mr. Freeman does an excellent job of fouling as part of normal defensive maneuvers. None of those are F1's IMO.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I think Mr. Freeman does an excellent job of fouling as part of normal defensive maneuvers. None of those are F1's IMO.

Agree....all of them are well disguised. You could easily argue that each of them was a legitimate defensive play that you'd see throughout the game.

It is only the connection between them all that would lead you to suspect they were deliberate.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I think Mr. Freeman does an excellent job of fouling as part of normal defensive maneuvers. None of those are F1's IMO.

I would agree that the player did an excellent job of following the coaches instruction. Also, I think calling an F1 would be tough based on how he played the KU player. However, is this unsporting on Oklahoma's part? They are clearly trying to circumvent a rule. I don't think that what they are doing is in any way in accordance with the spirit of the rule.

Somewhat similar to a post within the last week about a team that was down intentionally turning the ball over and giving up layups. Nothing in the rules specifically prevents it, but its not in the spirit of the game. I realize these two situations are vastly different, but my point is that one team is clearly doing something that is "not basketball." Probably a bigger issue than what could be fixed within a single game though.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Funny, when I told the player what the consequence would be if I called his foul, he told me I was terrible, and my response was "This isn't the NBA".

I went to his AC during the next time-out to explain the situation and AC immediately told me he knew what I was talking about and that he would handle it.

Did you do this during the time when B1 shot the free throws from the "You're terrible" technical foul?

[thedewed]

A scrub fouled out in 2 minutes late in the ou ku game, it was very obvious what he was doing, all away from the ball, and no f1 was called. All but one were completely away from a focal point of play and clearly to put a bad ft shooter at the line. Won't be the last we will see of it in the big 12. Clarification is in order.