Fouling the Shooter

[Flip]

When a shooter is taking a shot at the goal, and a defender makes contact w/ the ball 1st then the shooters hand, is this a defensive foul?

[MOFFICIAL]

Any contact with an airborn shooter is a personal foul on the defender. The hand is only a part of the ball when the hand is actually touching the ball.You may want to use discretion as to whether the contact affected the shot.

[BigDave]

I'm gonna throw this out there. If I'm incorrect, feel free to wail on me...

I thought that if the defender made a clean block then made contact, there was no foul. Someone please summarize.

Be gentle...

[steve gillies]

Hmm... If its a solid block and some minor contact. I hold my whistle.I won"t penalize the defense on a good play.But if its an airborn shooter and gets hammered...we"re shootin free throws.

[Mark Padgett]

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Originally posted by Bart Tyson:
Somewhere i have read, this is not a foul.

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It's not a foul in my driveway

[Bart Tyson]

Somewhere i have read, this is not a foul. I don't think it matters if the ball gets blocked or not. Or if the ball is still in hand or not.

[bob jenkins]

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Originally posted by Bart Tyson:
Somewhere i have read, this is not a foul. I don't think it matters if the ball gets blocked or not. Or if the ball is still in hand or not.

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Can you find that "somewhere"? In the meantime, I'll call (non-incidental) contact on an airborn shooter a foul, whether or not the shot was blocked after it left the shooter's hand(s).

[Richard Ogg]

By the book, if the contact was on the hand after the ball left the shooter's hand, or contact elsewhere (e.g., arm, face), it is a foul.

Now practically speaking, what level is this? How much contact? When? Where? At the varsity level the hit will have to be pretty hard on a hand/forearm or affect the shot, otherwise I hold my whistle. (I whistle every touch of the face I see, but the focus here is on the hand.) Last year in a middle school game the shooter's hand was hit at the bottom of her arc (i.e., well after the ball left), and contact was minimal. The coach was right there yelling for a foul -- I told him to get real. But at that level it does take less contact to trigger the whistle.

The key is to officiate to the level of play.

[Richard Kreimer]

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Originally posted by Flip:
When a shooter is taking a shot at the goal, and a defender makes contact w/ the ball 1st then the shooters hand, is this a defensive foul?

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Dave Libbey says " if you hit ball then hand, you do not have a foul" unless you go through the shooter, otherwise let the defense play defense.

[Dennis Flannery]

I don't believe that is what Dave Libbey has said ...at least not at his camps.....the way I was told at his camp is that you need to see the whole thing. This is one of those calls that could be called either way and be correct each time. Like it was stated before a lot of it depends on what level you are calling. In a college game, if the contact is minor, I would most likely let it go. In high school, depending on the game who knows...if it is a ruff game, I might call the foul.