6 on the Court -- unnoticed...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Stop obsessing

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120 posts to get to that?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

120 posts to get to that?

... and that's all she wrote.

[Bad Zebra]

When a discussion goes on for 9 PAGES over a 6th team member participating

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

How can you tell it's the off-season? When a discussion goes on for 9 PAGES over a 6th team member participating

Agree.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... it's the offseason and we have a perfect storm for a long thread, with as many questions as answers.

[BigT]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

When a discussion goes on for 9 PAGES over a 6th team member participating

Its called the off season...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

What exactly do you want from us, we are not the NFHS?

You're right Raymond. Now we finally have it directly from the horse's mouth (below).

From the IAABO Sportorials November/December 2017 issue, article entitled Rules Interpretations and Clarifications from NFHS In-Person Meeting (with Theresia Wynns, NFHS Basketball Rules Editor):

More than five players on the court not observed by officials:
- If Team A has more than five players on the court during a live
ball and the officials do not realize it, should the officials charge
Team A with a technical foul if the scorer notifies officials of the
infraction during the next dead ball period? Answer: No. An
on-court official must observe the excess number of players on
the court during a live ball and a team having more than five
players on the court during a live ball shall be penalized only if
the infraction is discovered while being violated.

An interpretation directly from from Ms. Wynns, the NFHS Grand Poobah, should put this issue to rest. Right?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

You're right Raymond. Now we finally have it directly from the horse's mouth (below).

From the IAABO Sportorials November/December 2017 issue, article entitled Rules Interpretations and Clarifications from NFHS In-Person Meeting (with Theresia Wynns, NFHS Basketball Rules Editor):

More than five players on the court not observed by officials:
- If Team A has more than five players on the court during a live
ball and the officials do not realize it, should the officials charge
Team A with a technical foul if the scorer notifies officials of the
infraction during the next dead ball period? Answer: No. An
on-court official must observe the excess number of players on
the court during a live ball and a team having more than five
players on the court during a live ball shall be penalized only if
the infraction is discovered while being violated.

An interpretation directly from from Ms. Wynns, the NFHS Grand Poobah, should put this issue to rest. Right?

Yes.

MTD, Sr.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

You're right Raymond. Now we finally have it directly from the horse's mouth (below).

From the IAABO Sportorials November/December 2017 issue, article entitled Rules Interpretations and Clarifications from NFHS In-Person Meeting (with Theresia Wynns, NFHS Basketball Rules Editor):

More than five players on the court not observed by officials:
- If Team A has more than five players on the court during a live
ball and the officials do not realize it, should the officials charge
Team A with a technical foul if the scorer notifies officials of the
infraction during the next dead ball period? Answer: No. An
on-court official must observe the excess number of players on
the court during a live ball and a team having more than five
players on the court during a live ball shall be penalized only if
the infraction is discovered while being violated.

An interpretation directly from from Ms. Wynns, the NFHS Grand Poobah, should put this issue to rest. Right?

If I can deduce(big word) that there were 6 on floor without taking scorer word for it I will penalize. I do not have to see it while ball is "live." Example, 6 on floor and we are oblivious. Horn sounded. Ball dead(no shot in air) if I see 6 I at that moment I will penalize. I don't think I have to discover it "while ball live." But I have to know personally that there were 6 while ball was live.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BigCat

If I can deduce(big word) that there were 6 on floor without taking scorer word for it I will penalize. I do not have to see it while ball is "live." Example, 6 on floor and we are oblivious. Horn sounded. Ball dead(no shot in air) if I see 6 I at that moment I will penalize. I don't think I have to discover it "while ball live." But I have to know personally that there were 6 while ball was live.

I don't have the book in front of me, but doesn't it say it has to be discovered while the ball is live? Not if you have definite knowledge.

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[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BigCat

If I can deduce(big word) that there were 6 on floor without taking scorer word for it I will penalize. I do not have to see it while ball is "live." Example, 6 on floor and we are oblivious. Horn sounded. Ball dead(no shot in air) if I see 6 I at that moment I will penalize. I don't think I have to discover it "while ball live." But I have to know personally that there were 6 while ball was live.

This is called not following the rules and making up your own.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I don't have the book in front of me, but doesn't it say it has to be discovered while the ball is live? Not if you have definite knowledge.

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It says team technical for having more than 5 players participating simultaneously. Down further, "penalized if discovered while being violated." The interpretation billy put up said an official had to observe while the ball is live.

Hopefully, it never happens to any of us but...say you have 6 players on the court for one team and the horn sounds because the officials are clueless. Officials kill the play (ball becomes dead) officials then see 6 on the court. They know nobody ran onto the floor after the ball was dead....and they're 6 players from one team still out there. You can figure out 6 participated simultaneously without taking anybody's word for it because.... they are still there. I would penalize.

Again, hope it never happens. Just quibbling with Billy's interpretation. Moral- count players

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

This is called not following the rules and making up your own.

I suppose it might be but in this limited situation when 6 are still standing there id probably still penalize. I just wont let it happen...so i dont have to...

[BryanV21]

I think BigCat is seeing the intention of the rule, but the wording is bad and can be interpreted how BillyMac is saying.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Billy's interpretation.

Originally Posted by BryanV21

BillyMac is saying

Whoa. Hold onto your horses cowboys. BillyMac isn't saying anything. Theresia Wynns, the NFHS Basketball Rules Editor, who has oodles of gravitas, is the one doing the talking.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

An interpretation directly from from Ms. Wynns, the NFHS Grand Poobah, should put this issue to rest. Right?

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Yes.

We can only hope.