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Had a coach in a summer league game who complained about 3-seconds during a time-out. On the immediate next live ball he started counting out loud. I whacked him.
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We got into this (not sure if we we talked about here or not) in our association a few years back. We had a pressing varsity coach that would stunt and change defenses based on the shot clock and their counts on back court and inbounds situations. Never was an issue with 3 in the key. Basically as an association we ended up going with they could count if the counting was for them, but the first time a coach or player complained about an inbounds or back court call they were getting zero latitude. In the end I don't think we ever t'd up a kid or coach after we sorted it all out. Their argument was basically that we don't T up teams for counting down the shot clock on offense you can't t them up for counting on defense and for wanting to use the counts to communicate changes to their players.
Before that the coach and team were getting multiple warnings and T's for counting and then T's for arguing about their counting. They then filed an official with our governing body, the sport governing body and the conference. that led to the discussions mentioned above. Now in almost any other situation I'ld tell the coach/bench to cut it out once then T. If you've got some jack wagon standing there going 2,3,4,5 on in the key calls or screaming 5 5 5 over and over again on an out of bounds we would get one semi polite conversation about stopping and then I'm T ing it up after.
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It would be an immediate stop sign if he's doing it because he's figured out I can't count. Then T if he does it again.
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Newer officials should stay far far away from comments like that, though.
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I would stop it immediately. If their count doesn't match my count (which it probably won't), then they are also disadvantaging the other team - potentially making the other team rush because they think they are about to violate. Completely unsportsmanlike.
If the coach is doing it to trigger changes in his defense, he can figure out trigger words to communicate this without counting out loud. Hell, I wouldn't even care if he used the number on the count to trigger (i.e. at his 8 he yells 8 to trigger a trap) - just don't actively count out loud. |
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Five Seconds: It depends. Is he doing it when a) his team has the ball for a Throw-in, or b) when his opponent has the ball for a Throw-in? Item (a), I could care less. Item (b), he could end up with a TF. Three Seconds: It depends. Is he doing it when a) his team has the ball in its Frontcourt, or b) when his opponent has the ball in its Frontcourt? Item (a), I could care less. Item (b), he could end up with a TF. MTD, Sr.
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Coach Count Von Count ...
If the coach looks like this, he can count as often as he likes. We all know that he can't control himself.
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I hear what you are saying and do not necessarily disagree. However, if you consider it "completely unsportsmanlike", how do you handle the situation of the crowd counting down a clock prematurely in an effort to influence the opponent? Maybe not the same but that certainly seems "completely unsportsmanlike" also. NBD, it is an extreme analogy and I'm not busting your chops. Just a thought I had.
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