Disconcerting the FT shooter

[stripes]

I've written it many times on this forum. This is not golf. The FT shooter must expect noise. I would ignore it.

IMO, calling something here is looking for trouble that you don't need.

As a side note, I had a coach who would stand next to us while we were practicing FTs and he would scream in our ear. You have to learn to block distractions out.

[jeremy341a]

IMO calling something here is merely enforcing the rules we are supposed to. Hit them with it once and I bet it stops.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by stripes

I've written it many times on this forum. This is not golf. The FT shooter must expect noise. I would ignore it.

IMO, calling something here is looking for trouble that you don't need.

As a side note, I had a coach who would stand next to us while we were practicing FTs and he would scream in our ear. You have to learn to block distractions out.

Let me ask you this, Suppose the defender in the third slot, just as shooter gets into motion, screams at the shooter miss it or something else. You know he is trying to play BS basketball. Lets say the shooter is startled and air balls it.

Fine, player should block out the world. i agree. Been there done that coached it etc. I would ask you to tell me why you think it's ok not to penalize the player who is intentionally being a jerk? Why wouldn't you when you know he is being an idiot? Why cut him slack? Again, i have very little patience for what i consider BS basketball. This isn't competing its being an idiot. same with the team. now as i said, if theres so much noise that the screaming doesn't add much or shouldn't startle someone then fine, don't penalize.

But, if its in a quieter setting, not many people in gym etc and you allow the player to scream, and there's an obvious disconcertion and you don't address it. You certainly will have problems. ignore it at your own risk. I don't think you will have problems if you penalize people who are acting like idiots.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by stripes

I've written it many times on this forum. This is not golf. The FT shooter must expect noise. I would ignore it.

IMO, calling something here is looking for trouble that you don't need.

As a side note, I had a coach who would stand next to us while we were practicing FTs and he would scream in our ear. You have to learn to block distractions out.

It should be a T for the bench standing up when they are not allowed to by rule, so they should be happy to only get hit with disconcertion.

[BigT]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It should be a T for the bench standing up when they are not allowed to by rule, so they should be happy to only get hit with disconcertion.

I like this Mr Bad.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It should be a T for the bench standing up when they are not allowed to by rule, so they should be happy to only get hit with disconcertion.

This was my thought when I first read the OP.

If the bench doesn't stand, they get the disconcertion call.

No, this isn't golf, but FTs are intended to be shot without disturbance from the opponent. Shut it down, and shut it down fast. Best way to do it is with a delayed violation signal the first time you hear it.

If the shot goes in, advise the coach of the rule and the fact that you'll be enforcing it.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by stripes

I've written it many times on this forum. This is not golf. The FT shooter must expect noise. I would ignore it.

IMO, calling something here is looking for trouble that you don't need.

As a side note, I had a coach who would stand next to us while we were practicing FTs and he would scream in our ear. You have to learn to block distractions out.

While I might not call it the first time, I'm not ignoring it. Too much of that and the NFHS will have to put in the word automatic on it just to get it called properly.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by stripes

I've written it many times on this forum. This is not golf. The FT shooter must expect noise. I would ignore it.

IMO, calling something here is looking for trouble that you don't need.

As a side note, I had a coach who would stand next to us while we were practicing FTs and he would scream in our ear. You have to learn to block distractions out.

What "trouble" are you referring to?

The only "trouble" I possibly see is having to deal with an unhappy coach, which is hardly something new for officials that have worked a handful... hell... ANY games.

Otherwise, if the call is supported by rule (which has been shown on this thread), I have no problem with a replacement FT or even a tech.

[stripes]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

What "trouble" are you referring to?

The only "trouble" I possibly see is having to deal with an unhappy coach, which is hardly something new for officials that have worked a handful... hell... ANY games.

Otherwise, if the call is supported by rule (which has been shown on this thread), I have no problem with a replacement FT or even a tech.

Looking for opportunities to call Ts will open a can of worms you don't want open.

If you think my advice is crap, don't use it. I am speaking from 20+ years (and 1000s of games) of experience. I have watched many officials try to be the person who was going to be an enforcer. None of them has been very successful as an official, while those who learn to manage games have been very successful.

There are lots of ways to manage this situation. Calling a T is one of them...but probably not the best one. Learn to manage people and situations effectively if you want to be successful as an official.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by stripes

Looking for opportunities to call Ts will open a can of worms you don't want open.

If you think my advice is crap, don't use it. I am speaking from 20+ years (and 1000s of games) of experience. I have watched many officials try to be the person who was going to be an enforcer. None of them has been very successful as an official, while those who learn to manage games have been very successful.

There are lots of ways to manage this situation. Calling a T is one of them...but probably not the best one. Learn to manage people and situations effectively if you want to be successful as an official.

Being scared to call an obvious disconcertion violation is not a recipe for success either.

[Adam]

Call disconcertion, let the coach know you had a choice between that and a technical foul. Go ahead and tell him it would impact his use of the coaching box.

If they do it again, call the T. If you call the T, also call disconcertion so you get a replacement FT if necessary.

[stripes]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Being scared to call an obvious disconcertion violation is not a recipe for success either.

I'm really scared to call things...

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by stripes

I'm really scared to call things...

I certainly wouldn't say you aren't or wouldn't call this obvious violation because your scared. I have no idea and its not my business….BUT the other potential reasons for not calling it aren't very good either.

[stripes]

I don't have any idea about those who post here (for the most part), but the officials around my area who go looking for things like this to call are the same ones who wonder why they never get selected to go to the state tournament.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by stripes

Looking for opportunities to call Ts will open a can of worms you don't want open.

If you think my advice is crap, don't use it. I am speaking from 20+ years (and 1000s of games) of experience. I have watched many officials try to be the person who was going to be an enforcer. None of them has been very successful as an official, while those who learn to manage games have been very successful.

There are lots of ways to manage this situation. Calling a T is one of them...but probably not the best one. Learn to manage people and situations effectively if you want to be successful as an official.

A replacement FT is all you need. It was an obvious disconcertion. Complete BS basketball. There doesn't need to be a T on the players for standing but as I said earlier, if that coach bit..s, tell him that's his other choice. Let him choose. Now, if you don't give a replacement FT you will likely have to give a T at some point, to the other coach. Not dealing with idiots will screw up your game.

Dealing with people is one thing, but this play happened unexpectedly. Telling them not to do it again isn't doing your job. It cost the other team a FT. Give it back to them and then tell the others not to do it again. Work with people when you can but penalize when necessary.