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Old Tue Dec 06, 2016, 10:44pm
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Is this a foul?



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Old Tue Dec 06, 2016, 11:23pm
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Old Wed Dec 07, 2016, 01:35am
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Yes to which question? The one in the post or one of the two at the beginning of the video or the one overlayed on the upper left corner of the entire video when your mouse is over the video?

I'll assume it is to the text in the post....I agree....foul.
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Old Wed Dec 07, 2016, 03:01am
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I have a foul.
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Old Wed Dec 07, 2016, 09:18am
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Play on, backpedaling defender in LGP, looks to be vertical or very close to it, and the offense creates the contact, I have nothing.
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Old Wed Dec 07, 2016, 09:26am
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I see what ballgame99 sees... a defender with LGP backpeddling, and never moving forward into the dribbler's path.

Could you guys that said "yes" explain what you saw?
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Old Wed Dec 07, 2016, 10:18am
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Not a foul. What did the defender do wrong? He had LGP, he was moving back, he maintained his vertical space, and all contact was initiated by the offense. No way I have a foul on the defense. If I did call it and saw the tape I would accept that I made an incorrect call.
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Old Wed Dec 07, 2016, 10:40am
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For NCAAM folks...

Is this a primary or secondary defender? I know the rule says that in an outnumbering fastbreak that all defenders are "initially" secondary; but when do primary defenders begin to exist, so to speak, on a fastbreak?

Not sure if that has anything to do with this play, but just curious.
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Old Wed Dec 07, 2016, 10:42am
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Old Wed Dec 07, 2016, 11:03am
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For NCAAM folks...

Is this a primary or secondary defender? I know the rule says that in an outnumbering fastbreak that all defenders are "initially" secondary; but when do primary defenders begin to exist, so to speak, on a fastbreak?

Not sure if that has anything to do with this play, but just curious.
You are a primary defender once you establish LGP. Which on an outnumbered fastbreak cannot be done in the RA. This defender for all intensive purposes is a primary defender.

However even if he were secondary the RA restriction does not apply if the defender maintains verticality and jumps to make a play to defend the shot. They MUST be airborne and vertical for the RA restriction to not apply to them.
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Old Wed Dec 07, 2016, 11:20am
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I see what ballgame99 sees... a defender with LGP backpeddling, and never moving forward into the dribbler's path.

Could you guys that said "yes" explain what you saw?
Jumped sideways across an airborne shooter's path where the contact occurred.
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Old Wed Dec 07, 2016, 11:39am
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Jumped sideways across an airborne shooter's path where the contact occurred.
That's what I see.
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Old Wed Dec 07, 2016, 11:54am
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Jumped sideways across an airborne shooter's path where the contact occurred.
So a player that established LGP cannot move sideways to maintain?
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Old Wed Dec 07, 2016, 12:00pm
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So a player that established LGP cannot move sideways to maintain?
Not once the shooter is airborne.
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Old Wed Dec 07, 2016, 12:02pm
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This is a GREAT play to discuss in terms of positioning and play calling.

Since the introduction of the RA, I have had trouble with this play (as the new L and C) because I will look at the defender's location (feet). By the time the offensive player starts his shooting motion, I'm more likely to catch the last 1/3 of his shot.

In this case, I could understand why the L might have missed the initial contact by Tx-4's right arm on the Mi-10's shooting right arm.


Tx-4 started vertical and was retreating, however I feel his right arm moved out of his vertical plane and contacted Mi-10's forearm.
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