Pre-game warm ups

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by AremRed

There was an interpretation about this from a bunch of years ago, but I could not find it in the archive. My philosophy has become "if it isn't in the current rule or case book, don't enforce it".

AremRed:

I doubt that you will that you find this situation in the NFHS Rules Book from any particular year but it falls under the taunting section of Rule 10.

Regarding Casebook Plays. You would be incorrect in not enforcing a Casebook Play Ruling just because it is not in the current Casebook. Once a Casebook Play Ruling is issued it remains in effect until the Rule is changed such that the rule change changes the Casebook Play Ruling. Casebook Play Rulings are the same as Supreme Court rulings: They are the law of the land until the law is changed.

MTD, Sr.

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

AremRed:

I doubt that you will that you find this situation in the NFHS Rules Book from any particular year but it falls under the taunting section of Rule 10.

Regarding Casebook Plays. You would be incorrect in not enforcing a Casebook Play Ruling just because it is not in the current Casebook. Once a Casebook Play Ruling is issued it remains in effect until the Rule is changed such that the rule change changes the Casebook Play Ruling. Casebook Play Rulings are the same as Supreme Court rulings: They are the law of the land until the law is changed.

I get that Mark, but because there is no current rule/case play/anything written in the most current book where I can go read it, doesn't that make what constitutes taunting in my judgement as an official?

As I responded to Welpe above, how am I expected to know that the NFHS 6 years ago said this is taunting if they never keep it in the current rule book??

[SNIPERBBB]

Its considered unsportsmanlike conduct. Are you sure it was 10-11' it seems to me to be longer than that when that came out.

[Freddy]

SPORTING BEHAVIOR: Teams entering the gymnasium prior to the contest should not run through the area occupied by the opposing team or under the basket where opponents are warming up. Teams should only enter, job and warm up on their half of the court. Gatherings intended to motivate a team after the warm-up period, during or following player introductions and post-game celebrations should be performed in the area directly in front of the team bench. If during the pre-game or half-time warm-up period one team leaves the floor, the other team may not use the entire court; teams may only warm up on their half of the court. Only authorized personnel (cheerleaders, athletic trainers, managers, administrators, etc.) should be permitted on the floor; all spectators should be in designated areas.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Freddy

... during or following player introductions ... celebrations should be performed in the area directly in front of the team bench ...

Here in Connecticut, we had visiting teams spitting on the center circle logo/mascot. Now we strictly enforce this rule, if either team starts to congregate in the center circle, we wave them off.

[Welpe]

So incidentally, our association secretary just sent out a reminder about this POE to the entire association. I guess you could say we've been educated now.

[MatthewPV]

Originally Posted by Freddy

SPORTING BEHAVIOR: Teams entering the gymnasium prior to the contest should not run through the area occupied by the opposing team or under the basket where opponents are warming up. Teams should only enter, job and warm up on their half of the court. Gatherings intended to motivate a team after the warm-up period, during or following player introductions and post-game celebrations should be performed in the area directly in front of the team bench. If during the pre-game or half-time warm-up period one team leaves the floor, the other team may not use the entire court; teams may only warm up on their half of the court. Only authorized personnel (cheerleaders, athletic trainers, managers, administrators, etc.) should be permitted on the floor; all spectators should be in designated areas.

But what is the penalty, if there is one...

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by MatthewPV

But what is the penalty, if there is one...

Team Technical. Other team starts the game with 2 FTs and the ball at half court opposite the table. offending team gets the arrow.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Its considered unsportsmanlike conduct. Are you sure it was 10-11' it seems to me to be longer than that when that came out.

Fairly certain it was as I started in 2009-2010 and I know it wasn't a POE that year and we discussed it in our meetings.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I get that Mark, but because there is no current rule/case play/anything written in the most current book where I can go read it, doesn't that make what constitutes taunting in my judgement as an official?

As I responded to Welpe above, how am I expected to know that the NFHS 6 years ago said this is taunting if they never keep it in the current rule book??

AremRed:

You took the first step by registering with Officiating.com. That way you get the benefit of asking historians of the rules like a bald old geezer like me.

I started officiating basketball in 1971. I have officiated boys'/girls' H.S. since 1971. Until either 1978, boys'/girls' H.S. and men's college basketball was played under the National Basketball Committee of the United States and Canada. In 1978 that Committee split into the NFHS and NCAA Men's committees. I officiated women's college basketball from 1974 to 2008. Until 1984 women's college basketball was played under the National Assn. of Girls' and Women's in Sports Rules, and under the NCAA Women's Rules Committee since then. I also officiated men's jr. college and college JV from 1993 to 2008. And was a USA Basketball Referee (FIBA Rules) from 1993 to 2003.

I have been a rules interpreter and have sat on IAABO National Committees and have one friend who officiated in the NBA and two that have officiated in the WNBA. I have been fortunate to have been able to know some of the finest rules people in the sport and have tried to pass forward the history of the rules that I learned from them. It was in my blood from the very beginning that I would be a historian for the rules.

I wish that the NFHS and the NCAA would create a free online data base of the Rules Books, Casebooks, Rules Interpretations, Approved Rulings, Officials Manuals and CCA Manuals. It was be a great contribution to basketball officiating education.

MTD, Sr.