Intentional Foul?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

You will keep it simple once you recognize that there's no such thing as an Intentional Procedure or Intentional (alone) foul.

All fouls are either Personal or Technical. Within those categories, they can have modifiers, such as Common, Intentional, Flagrant, Player Control, Team Control, etc. I think (off the top of my head) that all personal fouls get a modifier; a "plain" technical does not.

So, your question above is obvious -- it was and Intentional Technical foul and should be penalized as such (it was not an Intentional Personal) foul.

Originally Posted by Shooter14

Do you think for a first year official that that's a lot of information? I would tell the first year official in this case; Contact occurred during dead ball=It's either technical, or it's nothing. Why get into all the other degrees? I personally wouldn't. I don't think that makes me wrong, and if you want to explain all the different types, you are not wrong either.

But in the play where there's a push during a dead ball, If you decide it can't be ignored, it's going to be a technical (not stating the type). Two free throws for any member on the floor of the offended team. Ball out at division line, opposite the table.

Shooter14:

No, I do not think that is a lot of information for a first year official. I taught the OhioHSAA mandatory new officials' course for ten years and drilled into the new officials that Rule 4 is the most important rule in the book.

MTD, Sr.

[Shooter14]

Originally Posted by Shooter14

Would I be wrong in my game to call a technical on player who shoved, award 2 free throws to any member on the floor, and put the ball in at division line?

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Shooter14:

No, I do not think that is a lot of information for a first year official. I taught the OhioHSAA mandatory new officials' course for ten years and drilled into the new officials that Rule 4 is the most important rule in the book.

MTD, Sr.

Am I wrong in the above situation?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Shooter14

Am I wrong in the above situation?

Yes.

Originally Posted by Shooter14

...

But in the play where there's a push during a dead ball, If you decide it can't be ignored, it's going to be a technical (not stating the type). Two free throws for any member on the floor of the offended team. Ball out at division line, opposite the table.

A sub can be brought in to shoot the free throws.

[Shooter14]

Thanks for your response. I would have messed up if the coach tried to sub.

[BigCat]

I think it's best to learn and use the proper terms. In an earlier post you said your "intentional procedure" was 2 shots and ball at point of interruption. Factually, it is the same thing but you are using terminology that applies in other situations. POI. Intentional foul is 2 shots and ball out at spot nearest the foul.

The rules are a puzzle. Their connected and intertwined etc. Personally, I think using other terms has potential to lead to confusion.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BigCat

I think it's best to learn and use the proper terms. In an earlier post you said your "intentional procedure" was 2 shots and ball at point of interruption. Factually, it is the same thing but you are using terminology that applies in other situations. POI. Intentional foul is 2 shots and ball out at spot nearest the foul.

The rules are a puzzle. Their connected and intertwined etc. Personally, I think using other terms has potential to lead to confusion.

I always tell new officials (and vets also) to use rule book terminology when discussing officiating amongst ourselves or when talking to coaches.

[BigCat]

[QUOTE=BadNewsRef;992651]I always tell new officials (and vets also) to use rule book terminology when discussing officiating amongst ourselves or when talking to coaches.[/

Yes. I wish I could say it better but what we learn in one rule can apply to many other situations. A change in terms might help you understand one situation better but cause a screwup in another....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BigCat

I think it's best to learn and use the proper terms. In an earlier post you said your "intentional procedure" was 2 shots and ball at point of interruption. Factually, it is the same thing but you are using terminology that applies in other situations. POI. Intentional foul is 2 shots and ball out at spot nearest the foul.

The rules are a puzzle. Their connected and intertwined etc. Personally, I think using other terms has potential to lead to confusion.

The reason this matters is that POI is often times not the spot nearest where the foul occurred. If it's an off-ball foul, for example, or a foul in the midst of a successful shot attempt. POI can be quite different than the spot nearest where the foul occurred.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Adam

The reason this matters is that POI is often times not the spot nearest where the foul occurred. If it's an off-ball foul, for example, or a foul in the midst of a successful shot attempt. POI can be quite different than the spot nearest where the foul occurred.

Yes, i agree and would say most of the time it is different.