MAAC Title Game: Several Plays (Video)

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

NV-

With all due respect, a friend of mine who posts on here as well called me after he read my post and said he thought you would most likely be the first to respond ( I owe him dinner).

Clearly I have great consistency in how I feel about sporting behavior and officials taking care of business.

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

We will agree to disagree. As far as the tech, these are two bubble teams ( MU more so than Iona ). Those three are there for just that reason alone. they will let him vent, yes curse a bit. It is nothing cowardly or lacking ethics.
All three ( I've worked with one ) are excellent game managers.

As far as "the philosophy" that you don't like...it worked for Burr, Higgins and Cahill...they didn't do to poorly in their careers.....

1. I understand that an NCAA tourney berth and many $ are on the line for these two schools and the coaches as well.
2. Venting is fine. Having the guy who is paid lots of $ to be a role model for the young men on the team directing profanity at the officials at a college athletic event is not. The darn NCAA even said so.
3. Failure to follow NCAA directives is not good game management.
4. Higgins and Burr are dinosaurs. Cahill is a recent example of an excellent official who is now retired. The game and the spotlight on it have changed immensely in the past 20 years, and greatly in the past 10. HDTV gives everyone a clearer picture of people's actions and mouths. The microphones at courtside are much better too. Some things which were acceptable when Burr and Higgins were at the top of the old Big East aren't acceptable now. All of the NCAA instruction says so, yet there are hold-outs who think that things should still be done the old way. They are not part of the solution. They are part of the problem.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why do I get the feeling that several posters in this thread know the calling official on this play and are backing their buddy.

I have never had anyone characterize a 3pt jumpshooter with a single defender as a two-official play.

What the heck is the Trail supposed to be watching, if not these two players? The Lead is telling us that he doesn't think that the Trail can officiate 1v1 basketball. Perhaps he wants his game check too.

No one here is backing Mr. Anderson. His schedule speaks for itself. What we are saying is that he didn't have anything hot to officiate at the present moment. He took a peak at ball...saw contact on the shooter gave DJ a chance and came and got it. I'm sure DJ and Jeff may have had a conversation about the play.....if Kitts didn't like the whistle he will tell Jeff as well.

Again our point ( Rut / BNR & myself )....if you have NOTHING active and there is a shooter involved, which isn't in the next county take a look at that play....he did and thought it needed a whistle. Again we can argue whether or not it is a foul but we agree that him on ball when he had NOTHING going on in his primary to be OK.......

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

DHR -

I respectfully disagree with you and agree with BNR ( no you aren't getting my CCAC games ). The matchup you talk of in the post is not "engaged" or "hot", yes there are two players there....Now one can argue if the play in itself is a whistle but I don't mind four eyes on that play. Lead can quickly recover to the post...or a lead as good as BNR !!!!

I'm glad we can be all hold hands and sing "Kumbaya" about this play.

I guess it's just a philosophy matter of how we are observed and supervised; could it be a regional thing? I know my coordinator would not want the L to reach out on this play; if the T doesn't call it then it's on him and he will be downgraded. Officiating in 3-man is a "team" concept. It's not like the T wasn't looking at the play or was blocked out; he made a decision and will have to live with it.

Where in the NCAA-M mechanics manual does it say the L signal a 3-pt attempt at the wing FT-line extended? The L looking out there means to me he is a ball-watcher and doesn't trust his partners.

[Multiple Sports]

But I'm right because BNR and Rut agree with me

Again I think we are talking apples and oranges....Anderson has nothing to referee at that moment. If he had Mourning and Shaq in the post banging on each other, I'd be up in arms as well....but at this moment 4 eyes is a great "team concept"...We all know that Scott Foster would have his eyes on this play as the lead...

Peace my brother !!!! Kumbaya to you as well !!!!!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Jeff...DJ...if Kitts didn't like the whistle he will tell Jeff as well.

1. Seems that you are too close to the people involved to make an objective judgment.

2. Ah, yes, Mike Kitts the Final Four official...I recall many of his Big East games. How could I ever forget when he allowed Seton Hall to play with six against Georgetown for 10 of the final 12 seconds of the second half of a tied game? The action was bookended by two time-outs and included two made baskets and a held ball. That's some excellent game awareness.

[Multiple Sports]

Yes there are some regional / conference approaches throughout the country.

Big South is officiated like the NBA.

MEAC still has its guys using one hand at the table

Big East still has a very physical approach to it guys manage games more in that league.

SEC / Big 12 do an excellent job of enforcing 10.1.4

Is JD Collins unifying things...yes but it will take a while !!!!

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

1. Seems that you are too close to the people involved to make an objective judgment.

2. Ah, yes, Mike Kitts the Final Four official...I recall many of his Big East games. How could I ever forget when he allowed Seton Hall to play with six against Georgetown for 10 of the final 12 seconds of the second half of a tied game? The action was bookended by two time-outs and included two made baskets and a held ball. That's some excellent game awareness.

Sorry that is their names.....if it was three west coast guys I would use their names as well.

Why such a negative approach about Mike Kitts....did you try out for the MAAC and he didn't hire you ???

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

Respectfully disagree. Red #25 and White #33 are near the block. While they might not be engaged, it only takes a split second for any type of illegal contact to occur; while the ball is in the air is when players position themselves for the rebound. The practice of L taking his eyes off these two players during a shot is not an action I would subscribe to IMO.

They were not at all engaged. The Iona player was moving away from the basket and defender. The lead was following the ball to see where it went and here was an immediate shot from a good three to four steps below the free throw line.

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[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Why such a negative approach about Mike Kitts....did you try out for the MAAC and he didn't hire you ???

No, I went to Georgetown and watched him work several times. That's what I observed. He's probably a nice guy. It's nothing personal. I will add that he hung on WAY too long. He could barely run his last couple of years.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Only situations where I have an opinion.....

3 - NO WAY in a conference championship is what King Rice is saying going to be a technical foul....he is hollering a DJ. When DJ has had enough he will address it and warn Coach Rice. There a bunch of you that want to call a T here and maybe that works in your hs game but in this game, call a T and you will be waiting all summer for your MAAC contract for next year.

DJ is a B1G official. He whacks that coach and he's still working the same game next season.

Not saying he should've. I wouldn't have even heard him in a HS game. Too busy shooting free throws. Let him vent a bit.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

DJ is a B1G official. He whacks that coach and he's still working the same game next season.

And he will be around longer in that conference and other conferences than the coach.

I think we have to know our worth better than we do.

Peace

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

I know my coordinator would not want the L to reach out on this play; if the T doesn't call it then it's on him and he will be downgraded. Officiating in 3-man is a "team" concept. It's not like the T wasn't looking at the play or was blocked out; he made a decision and will have to live with it.

Where in the NCAA-M mechanics manual does it say the L signal a 3-pt attempt at the wing FT-line extended? The L looking out there means to me he is a ball-watcher and doesn't trust his partners.

It is an NCAA-M mechanic to have the L assist with 3pt shots taken in the corner. I believe this was added to the mechanics 2 or 3 years ago.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

It is an NCAA-M mechanic to have the L assist with 3pt shots taken in the corner. I believe this was added to the mechanics 2 or 3 years ago.

I pregame this in HS games, too.

A shot with the shooting arm in the corner can be virtually impossible for the T to see properly. I'm out there as the L, I'm grabbing a look.

[BlueDevilRef]

For shots in the corner sure, move out and take it as the L. I thought this was a reach by the L. Not bc of any matchup in the post but bc the T was standing right there and had nothing.

I disagree Higgins is a dinosaur. He works a ton of games and doesn't put up with a lot of crap. Imho, he does a good job.

And if the NCAA wants coaches cussing penalized, someone should tell the officials. I love Coach K but he would be dumped every game if cursing were a T. He does it a lot. Sadly.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

For shots in the corner sure, move out and take it as the L. I thought this was a reach by the L. Not bc of any matchup in the post but bc the T was standing right there and had nothing.

I disagree Higgins is a dinosaur. He works a ton of games and doesn't put up with a lot of crap. Imho, he does a good job.

And if the NCAA wants coaches cussing penalized, someone should tell the officials. I love Coach K but he would be dumped every game if cursing were a T. He does it a lot. Sadly.

You're thinking of John Higgins. I think the previous post was speaking of Tim Higgins.