MAAC Title Game: Several Plays (Video)

[Multiple Sports]

Only situations where I have an opinion.....

3 - NO WAY in a conference championship is what King Rice is saying going to be a technical foul....he is hollering a DJ. When DJ has had enough he will address it and warn Coach Rice. There a bunch of you that want to call a T here and maybe that works in your hs game but in this game, call a T and you will be waiting all summer for your MAAC contract for next year.

5 - This is a philosophy in the northeast part of the country ( don't shoot the messenger). That is the correct call. It is a one possession game. Put MU at the line, go to the other end, contact put Iona at the line...In the last two minutes each team gets to the line 10 times. Team A makes their free throws, Team B misses their free throws, game ends and nobody has any complaints.

Let the bashing begin....

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Only situations where I have an opinion.....

3 - NO WAY in a conference championship is what King Rice is saying going to be a technical foul....he is hollering a DJ. When DJ has had enough he will address it and warn Coach Rice. There a bunch of you that want to call a T here and maybe that works in your hs game but in this game, call a T and you will be waiting all summer for your MAAC contract for next year.

5 - This is a philosophy in the northeast part of the country ( don't shoot the messenger). That is the correct call. It is a one possession game. Put MU at the line, go to the other end, contact put Iona at the line...In the last two minutes each team gets to the line 10 times. Team A makes their free throws, Team B misses their free throws, game ends and nobody has any complaints.

Let the bashing begin....

Fine, I'll start. Both of your comments are complete BS.
They represent the mentality of a coach and fans. They articulate why there are problems with sporting behavior and what people deem "make-up calls."

For you to imply on #3 that an official should not properly penalize a misbehaving coach out of fear of losing his schedule next season lacks ethics and is downright cowardly. You might as well make the same argument about penalizing the player in this situation. I recall a few seasons ago when the NCAA directives stated to penalize any profanity from a coach with a technical foul. The reason that coaches get away with so much poor behavior is because of people who think like you.

On #5 that "philosophy" sucks. Why should a quality game be turned into a FT shooting contest down the stretch? The NCAA has advocated for years to call the game the same way in the first minute as in the last minute. If this wasn't a foul in minute 1, then it is not a foul in the last two minutes. This "northeast philosophy" equates to nothing more than screwing the defensive team. And don't tell me that it's fine because it's the same for both teams. What if one team attacks the rim and the other shoots lots of 3s while the opponent plays a zone defense? Why can't officials call the game per the rules instead of attempting to adhere to all of these stupid philosophies?

[JRutledge]

Well thanks but jpgc99 said it before I did. I did not realize that until afterwards. But that is why we are here to help use understand all other levels on some level so we can combat objections when needed.

Peace

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Fine, I'll start. Both of your comments are complete BS.
They represent the mentality of a coach and fans. They articulate why there are problems with sporting behavior and what people deem "make-up calls."

For you to imply on #3 that an official should not properly penalize a misbehaving coach out of fear of losing his schedule next season lacks ethics and is downright cowardly. You might as well make the same argument about penalizing the player in this situation. I recall a few seasons ago when the NCAA directives stated to penalize any profanity from a coach with a technical foul. The reason that coaches get away with so much poor behavior is because of people who think like you.

On #5 that "philosophy" sucks. Why should a quality game be turned into a FT shooting contest down the stretch? The NCAA has advocated for years to call the game the same way in the first minute as in the last minute. If this wasn't a foul in minute 1, then it is not a foul in the last two minutes. This "northeast philosophy" equates to nothing more than screwing the defensive team. And don't tell me that it's fine because it's the same for both teams. What if one team attacks the rim and the other shoots lots of 3s while the opponent plays a zone defense? Why can't officials call the game per the rules instead of attempting to adhere to all of these stupid philosophies?

NV-

With all due respect, a friend of mine who posts on here as well called me after he read my post and said he thought you would most likely be the first to respond ( I owe him dinner).

We will agree to disagree. As far as the tech, these are two bubble teams ( MU more so than Iona ). Those three are there for just that reason alone. they will let him vent, yes curse a bit. It is nothing cowardly or lacking ethics.
All three ( I've worked with one ) are excellent game managers.

As far as "the philosophy" that you don't like...it worked for Burr, Higgins and Cahill...they didn't do to poorly in their careers.....

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

NV-

With all due respect, a friend of mine who posts on here as well called me after he read my post and said he thought you would most likely be the first to respond ( I owe him dinner).

Clearly I have great consistency in how I feel about sporting behavior and officials taking care of business.

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

We will agree to disagree. As far as the tech, these are two bubble teams ( MU more so than Iona ). Those three are there for just that reason alone. they will let him vent, yes curse a bit. It is nothing cowardly or lacking ethics.
All three ( I've worked with one ) are excellent game managers.

As far as "the philosophy" that you don't like...it worked for Burr, Higgins and Cahill...they didn't do to poorly in their careers.....

1. I understand that an NCAA tourney berth and many $ are on the line for these two schools and the coaches as well.
2. Venting is fine. Having the guy who is paid lots of $ to be a role model for the young men on the team directing profanity at the officials at a college athletic event is not. The darn NCAA even said so.
3. Failure to follow NCAA directives is not good game management.
4. Higgins and Burr are dinosaurs. Cahill is a recent example of an excellent official who is now retired. The game and the spotlight on it have changed immensely in the past 20 years, and greatly in the past 10. HDTV gives everyone a clearer picture of people's actions and mouths. The microphones at courtside are much better too. Some things which were acceptable when Burr and Higgins were at the top of the old Big East aren't acceptable now. All of the NCAA instruction says so, yet there are hold-outs who think that things should still be done the old way. They are not part of the solution. They are part of the problem.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Only situations where I have an opinion.....

3 - NO WAY in a conference championship is what King Rice is saying going to be a technical foul....he is hollering a DJ. When DJ has had enough he will address it and warn Coach Rice. There a bunch of you that want to call a T here and maybe that works in your hs game but in this game, call a T and you will be waiting all summer for your MAAC contract for next year.

DJ is a B1G official. He whacks that coach and he's still working the same game next season.

Not saying he should've. I wouldn't have even heard him in a HS game. Too busy shooting free throws. Let him vent a bit.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

DJ is a B1G official. He whacks that coach and he's still working the same game next season.

And he will be around longer in that conference and other conferences than the coach.

I think we have to know our worth better than we do.

Peace

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by Rich

DJ is a B1G official. He whacks that coach and he's still working the same game next season.

Not saying he should've. I wouldn't have even heard him in a HS game. Too busy shooting free throws. Let him vent a bit.

Rich,

I agree T or not he is in the MAAC next year. I do believe his feel for the game and his overall ability is the reason why he ignored this, just like you said, you are on the other end shooting free throws.....

Regarding venting, I had a coach in a game this year, go off the handle about thirty seconds before a media timeout. At the media he read me the riot act. I let him know I had enough. As he came out of the TO, I reminded him he was in a 1 possession game with 7 minutes to go and we weren't the problem.

#25 on the other team was...he laughed and we had no issues !!! Most of the
time they just want to blow off steam....

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Rich,

I agree T or not he is in the MAAC next year. I do believe his feel for the game and his overall ability is the reason why he ignored this, just like you said, you are on the other end shooting free throws.....

Regarding venting, I had a coach in a game this year, go off the handle about thirty seconds before a media timeout. At the media he read me the riot act. I let him know I had enough. As he came out of the TO, I reminded him he was in a 1 possession game with 7 minutes to go and we weren't the problem.

#25 on the other team was...he laughed and we had no issues !!! Most of the
time they just want to blow off steam....

Some officials seem to be okay with coaches treating them poorly. I won't tolerate it. It didn't take long for most of the coaches in the area to know the consequence, and so they don't misbehave towards me. I find that a better path.

[Multiple Sports]

NV - A gentleman in this business who is now retired told me ( campers) years ago at Fred Barakat's referee school, the longer you are in a league the less technical's you should have....Never was a statement more correct. With the exception of JUCO, my technical fouls are very minimal. As you move up the ladder, supervisors expect you have pretty solid people skills. Im not saying you don't...we just have different approaches. When my ratings decline due to this, I might just send you a PM on how to handle things. But until then, Ill stick with what works for me. That is the beauty of this business...

Disclaimer: Not sure if many people under 35 are familiar with Fred Barakat but it was probably the best camps I ever attended !!!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

NV - A gentleman in this business who is now retired told me ( campers) years ago at Fred Barakat's referee school, the longer you are in a league the less technical's you should have....Never was a statement more correct. With the exception of JUCO, my technical fouls are very minimal. As you move up the ladder, supervisors expect you have pretty solid people skills. Im not saying you don't...we just have different approaches. When my ratings decline due to this, I might just send you a PM on how to handle things. But until then, Ill stick with what works for me. That is the beauty of this business...

Disclaimer: Not sure if many people under 35 are familiar with Fred Barakat but it was probably the best camps I ever attended !!!

It also happens that as you've been around longer, you also gain the respect of the coaches. You've proven over time you can call the game. They're less likely to give you grief to the level you have to deal with. It isn't just magical people skills.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It also happens that as you've been around longer, you also gain the respect of the coaches. You've proven over time you can call the game. They're less likely to give you grief to the level you have to deal with. It isn't just magical people skills.

You just saved me some typing, but unless Fred Barakat said it, this isn't going to matter to him.

PS I'm pretty certain that Barakat is deceased.

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by camron rust

it also happens that as you've been around longer, you also gain the respect of the coaches. You've proven over time you can call the game. They're less likely to give you grief to the level you have to deal with. It isn't just magical people skills.

+1

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Some officials seem to be okay with coaches treating them poorly. I won't tolerate it. It didn't take long for most of the coaches in the area to know the consequence, and so they don't misbehave towards me. I find that a better path.

I actually totally agree with this. Coaches know "I am not that one." It makes life so much easier. Now I might not resolve that with T all the time as I tend to stop craziness before it starts and no one knows interaction even took place.

Peace