MAAC Title Game: Several Plays (Video)

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Iona had just gotten an offensive rebound and kicked it out. There were no competitive matchups going on near the basket.

Respectfully disagree. Red #25 and White #33 are near the block. While they might not be engaged, it only takes a split second for any type of illegal contact to occur; while the ball is in the air is when players position themselves for the rebound. The practice of L taking his eyes off these two players during a shot is not an action I would subscribe to IMO.

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Originally Posted by dahoopref

Respectfully disagree. Red #25 and White #33 are near the block. While they might not be engaged, it only takes a split second for any type of illegal contact to occur; while the ball is in the air is when players position themselves for the rebound. The practice of L taking his eyes off these two players during a shot is not an action I would subscribe to IMO.

DHR -

I respectfully disagree with you and agree with BNR ( no you aren't getting my CCAC games ). The matchup you talk of in the post is not "engaged" or "hot", yes there are two players there....Now one can argue if the play in itself is a whistle but I don't mind four eyes on that play. Lead can quickly recover to the post...or a lead as good as BNR !!!!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

DHR -

I respectfully disagree with you and agree with BNR ( no you aren't getting my CCAC games ). The matchup you talk of in the post is not "engaged" or "hot", yes there are two players there....Now one can argue if the play in itself is a whistle but I don't mind four eyes on that play. Lead can quickly recover to the post...or a lead as good as BNR !!!!

And I respectfully agree with your position.

Peace

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

And I respectfully agree with your position.

Peace

Rut -

I will most likely be working with BNR in May at an EYBL event, at that time I will let you know if he is still that strong in the lead !!!!!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Rut -

I will most likely be working with BNR in May at an EYBL event, at that time I will let you know if he is still that strong in the lead !!!!!

Please post the pictures on FB.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

DHR -

I respectfully disagree with you and agree with BNR ( no you aren't getting my CCAC games ). The matchup you talk of in the post is not "engaged" or "hot", yes there are two players there....Now one can argue if the play in itself is a whistle but I don't mind four eyes on that play. Lead can quickly recover to the post...or a lead as good as BNR !!!!

Why do I get the feeling that several posters in this thread know the calling official on this play and are backing their buddy.

I have never had anyone characterize a 3pt jumpshooter with a single defender as a two-official play.

What the heck is the Trail supposed to be watching, if not these two players? The Lead is telling us that he doesn't think that the Trail can officiate 1v1 basketball. Perhaps he wants his game check too.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why do I get the feeling that several posters in this thread know the calling official on this play and are backing their buddy.

I have never had anyone characterize a 3pt jumpshooter with a single defender as a two-official play.

What the heck is the Trail supposed to be watching, if not these two players? The Lead is telling us that he doesn't think that the Trail can officiate 1v1 basketball. Perhaps he wants his game check too.

I have never met the official in question and if someone does not think this guy can officiate, he would not have been on the title game. Something tells me these guys know each other and something also tells me after seeing the video the Trail is thanking the Lead and probably bought him a beverage of some kind or will as a result.

It is one play, if that is all we have to talk about then we are doing just fine.

Peace

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why do I get the feeling that several posters in this thread know the calling official on this play and are backing their buddy.

I have never had anyone characterize a 3pt jumpshooter with a single defender as a two-official play.

What the heck is the Trail supposed to be watching, if not these two players? The Lead is telling us that he doesn't think that the Trail can officiate 1v1 basketball. Perhaps he wants his game check too.

No one here is backing Mr. Anderson. His schedule speaks for itself. What we are saying is that he didn't have anything hot to officiate at the present moment. He took a peak at ball...saw contact on the shooter gave DJ a chance and came and got it. I'm sure DJ and Jeff may have had a conversation about the play.....if Kitts didn't like the whistle he will tell Jeff as well.

Again our point ( Rut / BNR & myself )....if you have NOTHING active and there is a shooter involved, which isn't in the next county take a look at that play....he did and thought it needed a whistle. Again we can argue whether or not it is a foul but we agree that him on ball when he had NOTHING going on in his primary to be OK.......

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Jeff...DJ...if Kitts didn't like the whistle he will tell Jeff as well.

1. Seems that you are too close to the people involved to make an objective judgment.

2. Ah, yes, Mike Kitts the Final Four official...I recall many of his Big East games. How could I ever forget when he allowed Seton Hall to play with six against Georgetown for 10 of the final 12 seconds of the second half of a tied game? The action was bookended by two time-outs and included two made baskets and a held ball. That's some excellent game awareness.

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref

1. Seems that you are too close to the people involved to make an objective judgment.

2. Ah, yes, Mike Kitts the Final Four official...I recall many of his Big East games. How could I ever forget when he allowed Seton Hall to play with six against Georgetown for 10 of the final 12 seconds of the second half of a tied game? The action was bookended by two time-outs and included two made baskets and a held ball. That's some excellent game awareness.

Sorry that is their names.....if it was three west coast guys I would use their names as well.

Why such a negative approach about Mike Kitts....did you try out for the MAAC and he didn't hire you ???

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Why such a negative approach about Mike Kitts....did you try out for the MAAC and he didn't hire you ???

No, I went to Georgetown and watched him work several times. That's what I observed. He's probably a nice guy. It's nothing personal. I will add that he hung on WAY too long. He could barely run his last couple of years.

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

DHR -

I respectfully disagree with you and agree with BNR ( no you aren't getting my CCAC games ). The matchup you talk of in the post is not "engaged" or "hot", yes there are two players there....Now one can argue if the play in itself is a whistle but I don't mind four eyes on that play. Lead can quickly recover to the post...or a lead as good as BNR !!!!

I'm glad we can be all hold hands and sing "Kumbaya" about this play.

I guess it's just a philosophy matter of how we are observed and supervised; could it be a regional thing? I know my coordinator would not want the L to reach out on this play; if the T doesn't call it then it's on him and he will be downgraded. Officiating in 3-man is a "team" concept. It's not like the T wasn't looking at the play or was blocked out; he made a decision and will have to live with it.

Where in the NCAA-M mechanics manual does it say the L signal a 3-pt attempt at the wing FT-line extended? The L looking out there means to me he is a ball-watcher and doesn't trust his partners.

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But I'm right because BNR and Rut agree with me

Again I think we are talking apples and oranges....Anderson has nothing to referee at that moment. If he had Mourning and Shaq in the post banging on each other, I'd be up in arms as well....but at this moment 4 eyes is a great "team concept"...We all know that Scott Foster would have his eyes on this play as the lead...

Peace my brother !!!! Kumbaya to you as well !!!!!

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Yes there are some regional / conference approaches throughout the country.

Big South is officiated like the NBA.

MEAC still has its guys using one hand at the table

Big East still has a very physical approach to it guys manage games more in that league.

SEC / Big 12 do an excellent job of enforcing 10.1.4

Is JD Collins unifying things...yes but it will take a while !!!!

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

I know my coordinator would not want the L to reach out on this play; if the T doesn't call it then it's on him and he will be downgraded. Officiating in 3-man is a "team" concept. It's not like the T wasn't looking at the play or was blocked out; he made a decision and will have to live with it.

Where in the NCAA-M mechanics manual does it say the L signal a 3-pt attempt at the wing FT-line extended? The L looking out there means to me he is a ball-watcher and doesn't trust his partners.

It is an NCAA-M mechanic to have the L assist with 3pt shots taken in the corner. I believe this was added to the mechanics 2 or 3 years ago.