End of Game Procedure

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by packersowner

In this situation, it was an obvious foul. I probably could have elaborated that it was a transition play as well so its not like everyone was sitting around waiting for the game to expire. In the order of play, it went shot, foul, whistle and within a half second the horn went off. I would hate to be on the other end of situation like that where the clock operator anticipated a foul, stops the clock and now you got nothing. Or even better yet, not realize there was actually 3 seconds left on the clock and not call anything, meanwhile the ball goes out of bounds and you have really compounded the issue.

Not that it matters in this context where the result wouldn't be affected, but if the referee is aware of half second from whistle to buzzer, wouldn't that be definite knowledge that, by strict application of the rules, would require the time to be put back on the clock -- and thereby result in the FTs being taken?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Not that it matters in this context where the result wouldn't be affected, but if the referee is aware of half second from whistle to buzzer, wouldn't that be definite knowledge that, by strict application of the rules, would require the time to be put back on the clock -- and thereby result in the FTs being taken?

Only if someone looks at the clock before the horn. You don't only need definite knowledge that "something" should be added, you need at definite knowledge of an amount of time (even if it's partial).

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by Adam

Disagree. Don't give up on the game just because the winner has been determined. Call the foul, if time expires while you do it, so be it.

So if there is a little touch foul or perhaps a small pushing foul on a rebound with about 2 seconds left, you would call that?

Sorry, but I'm not going to do that. Unless the other person was severely fouled and it was very noticeable, I'm not calling that and we are getting out of there.

To each his own.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by packersowner

In this situation, it was an obvious foul. I probably could have elaborated that it was a transition play as well so its not like everyone was sitting around waiting for the game to expire. In the order of play, it went shot, foul, whistle and within a half second the horn went off. I would hate to be on the other end of situation like that where the clock operator anticipated a foul, stops the clock and now you got nothing. Or even better yet, not realize there was actually 3 seconds left on the clock and not call anything, meanwhile the ball goes out of bounds and you have really compounded the issue.


I am not really arguing the merit of "calling a foul" merely asking whether you would go report this to the table or simply call it ball game and head off to the locker room.

I know that pretty much every official in the area where I work, would just walk away and not report it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

So if there is a little touch foul or perhaps a small pushing foul on a rebound with about 2 seconds left, you would call that?

Sorry, but I'm not going to do that. Unless the other person was severely fouled and it was very noticeable, I'm not calling that and we are getting out of there.

To each his own.

I will call whatever foul takes place. If the clock runs out, it runs out.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

So if there is a little touch foul or perhaps a small pushing foul on a rebound with about 2 seconds left, you would call that?

Yes, I would call it.

But, if you change the wording to "So if there is a little touch or perhaps a small push on a rebound...." then I would not call it (regardless of the time left).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

I know that pretty much every official in the area where I work, would just walk away and not report it.

That's probably how I'd deal with it, too.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

So if there is a little touch foul or perhaps a small pushing foul on a rebound with about 2 seconds left, you would call that?

Sorry, but I'm not going to do that. Unless the other person was severely fouled and it was very noticeable, I'm not calling that and we are getting out of there.

To each his own.

See bob's comments.

The way I'm picturing your description, I generally don't call those anyway. I'm going to call the fouls the same all game, but I may not actually report it if time expires as I call it.

A rebounding foul as time expires may get ignored with the same threshold I'd use to ignore a rebounding foul as a shot goes in or if the "fouled" player gets the rebound anyway.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes, I would call it.

But, if you change the wording to "So if there is a little touch or perhaps a small push on a rebound...." then I would not call it (regardless of the time left).

I hear ya and understand where you are coming from.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by Adam

See bob's comments.

The way I'm picturing your description, I generally don't call those anyway. I'm going to call the fouls the same all game, but I may not actually report it if time expires as I call it.

A rebounding foul as time expires may get ignored with the same threshold I'd use to ignore a rebounding foul as a shot goes in or if the "fouled" player gets the rebound anyway.

Yes that is the point I was trying to make and I worded it poorly. I think we are in agreement.

[BlueDevilRef]

This exact thing happened tonight. Recalling this topic on here, I moved quickly to reporting area from lead, white 14, push, no free throws, ballgame" team who was fouled on shooting foul was losing by 40 and I knew there was very little time left but it was a good foul. Coach wasn't happy but oh well. I did have to hurry my partner off floor bc he didn't know what to do.

Our escort came to locker room to say night and bring a water. Told us the coach has the kid shoot the free throws anyway after we left the floor.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

This exact thing happened tonight. Recalling this topic on here, I moved quickly to reporting area from lead, white 14, push, no free throws, ballgame" team who was fouled on shooting foul was losing by 40 and I knew there was very little time left but it was a good foul. Coach wasn't happy but oh well. I did have to hurry my partner off floor bc he didn't know what to do.

Our escort came to locker room to say night and bring a water. Told us the coach has the kid shoot the free throws anyway after we left the floor.

Oh good grief.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by Adam

Oh good grief.

I was accosted after a lower level girls game several years ago by a parent on the way out of the gym after having a shooting foul a hair before the buzzer went off. Her beef was that it wasn't fair to the girl that she didn't get her foul shots.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

... it wasn't fair to the girl that she didn't get her foul shots.

Final game of her senior year and she ends up with 999 career points.

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by Adam

Oh good grief.

That's what I said.