End of Game Procedure

[Dad]

Originally Posted by packersowner

In this situation, it was an obvious foul. I probably could have elaborated that it was a transition play as well so its not like everyone was sitting around waiting for the game to expire. In the order of play, it went shot, foul, whistle and within a half second the horn went off. I would hate to be on the other end of situation like that where the clock operator anticipated a foul, stops the clock and now you got nothing. Or even better yet, not realize there was actually 3 seconds left on the clock and not call anything, meanwhile the ball goes out of bounds and you have really compounded the issue.


I am not really arguing the merit of "calling a foul" merely asking whether you would go report this to the table or simply call it ball game and head off to the locker room.

Clock operator anticipating a foul? I've never noticed this happen when I didn't have a whistle.

If there's time on the clock play it out like any other foul during the game. If it's the end of the game I really don't think it matters and it's personal choice. I've done everything from showing a foul and then saying game over to just reporting the foul. Really depends on what's going on.

We're not supposed to shoot FTs if it doesn't change the outcome of the game. I'm doing it the same way ever time to not give a team an advantage over another. Changing the rules to help a team for point differential on post season is hurting whatever team they are tied with.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by packersowner

In this situation, it was an obvious foul. I probably could have elaborated that it was a transition play as well so its not like everyone was sitting around waiting for the game to expire. In the order of play, it went shot, foul, whistle and within a half second the horn went off. I would hate to be on the other end of situation like that where the clock operator anticipated a foul, stops the clock and now you got nothing. Or even better yet, not realize there was actually 3 seconds left on the clock and not call anything, meanwhile the ball goes out of bounds and you have really compounded the issue.

Not that it matters in this context where the result wouldn't be affected, but if the referee is aware of half second from whistle to buzzer, wouldn't that be definite knowledge that, by strict application of the rules, would require the time to be put back on the clock -- and thereby result in the FTs being taken?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Not that it matters in this context where the result wouldn't be affected, but if the referee is aware of half second from whistle to buzzer, wouldn't that be definite knowledge that, by strict application of the rules, would require the time to be put back on the clock -- and thereby result in the FTs being taken?

Only if someone looks at the clock before the horn. You don't only need definite knowledge that "something" should be added, you need at definite knowledge of an amount of time (even if it's partial).

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by packersowner

In this situation, it was an obvious foul. I probably could have elaborated that it was a transition play as well so its not like everyone was sitting around waiting for the game to expire. In the order of play, it went shot, foul, whistle and within a half second the horn went off. I would hate to be on the other end of situation like that where the clock operator anticipated a foul, stops the clock and now you got nothing. Or even better yet, not realize there was actually 3 seconds left on the clock and not call anything, meanwhile the ball goes out of bounds and you have really compounded the issue.


I am not really arguing the merit of "calling a foul" merely asking whether you would go report this to the table or simply call it ball game and head off to the locker room.

I know that pretty much every official in the area where I work, would just walk away and not report it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

I know that pretty much every official in the area where I work, would just walk away and not report it.

That's probably how I'd deal with it, too.

[Refhoop]

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[Hugh Refner]

What was the point spread on the game and had you bet on it?

[BlueDevilRef]

This exact thing happened tonight. Recalling this topic on here, I moved quickly to reporting area from lead, white 14, push, no free throws, ballgame" team who was fouled on shooting foul was losing by 40 and I knew there was very little time left but it was a good foul. Coach wasn't happy but oh well. I did have to hurry my partner off floor bc he didn't know what to do.

Our escort came to locker room to say night and bring a water. Told us the coach has the kid shoot the free throws anyway after we left the floor.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

This exact thing happened tonight. Recalling this topic on here, I moved quickly to reporting area from lead, white 14, push, no free throws, ballgame" team who was fouled on shooting foul was losing by 40 and I knew there was very little time left but it was a good foul. Coach wasn't happy but oh well. I did have to hurry my partner off floor bc he didn't know what to do.

Our escort came to locker room to say night and bring a water. Told us the coach has the kid shoot the free throws anyway after we left the floor.

Oh good grief.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by Adam

Oh good grief.

I was accosted after a lower level girls game several years ago by a parent on the way out of the gym after having a shooting foul a hair before the buzzer went off. Her beef was that it wasn't fair to the girl that she didn't get her foul shots.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

... it wasn't fair to the girl that she didn't get her foul shots.

Final game of her senior year and she ends up with 999 career points.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Final game of her senior year and she ends up with 999 career points.

Even if that was the case, I'd care for exactly -1 seconds.

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

I was accosted after a lower level girls game several years ago by a parent on the way out of the gym after having a shooting foul a hair before the buzzer went off. Her beef was that it wasn't fair to the girl that she didn't get her foul shots.

I heard the howler monkeys last night as I left the floor. Nobody ever personally approached me but I could hear it. Coach had no clue what the rule was either. Overall, it was a good learning experience on how to do it right and my partner for to see why it is important to get your butt off the floor.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

I heard the howler monkeys last night as I left the floor. Nobody ever personally approached me but I could hear it. Coach had no clue what the rule was either. Overall, it was a good learning experience on how to do it right and my partner for to see why it is important to get your butt off the floor.

Yep. Was it the home coach? I'll bet he instructed his scorer to give her credit for the FTs, too.

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by Adam

Oh good grief.

That's what I said.