Five Second, while holding in college

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Who really cares? Seriously.

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He can talk to my patch.

Peace

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I more concerned about the stupid "not a closely guarded situation signal". I remember when the Men's and Women's CCA Manuals adopted it. I didn't use when I was a college official and I have never (with apologies to the late J. Dallas Shirley) have used the signal. I had a college coach ask me why I wasn't using the "not a closely guarded situation signal" because he couldn't tell if I had a closely guarded situation. I told him that I didn't need to and he asked why. I told him that if I am visibly counting I have a closely guarded situation and if I am not visibly counting I do not have a closely guarded situation. He gave me a puzzled look and then a light bulb lit up in his head, and he said that that made sense.

MTD, Sr.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I more concerned about the stupid "not a closely guarded situation signal". I remember when the Men's and Women's CCA Manuals adopted it. I didn't use when I was a college official and I have never (with apologies to the late J. Dallas Shirley) have used the signal. I had a college coach ask me why I wasn't using the "not a closely guarded situation signal" because he couldn't tell if I had a closely guarded situation. I told him that I didn't need to and he asked why. I told him that if I am visibly counting I have a closely guarded situation and if I am not visibly counting I do not have a closely guarded situation. He gave me a puzzled look and then a light bulb lit up in his head, and he said that that made sense.

MTD, Sr.

I think that signal is good when players are just standing still and not quite standing close enough. I have used this signal when coaches felt I should be counting. It gives information and more of our signals should give information.

Peace

Maybe the play in the OP is not something their supervisor wants called?

[BryanV21]

I will use the "not closely guarded" signal when in a situation where a coach or player may think there should be closely-guarded count, as a way to communicate that yes... I am paying attention.

I'll also use it if I have a count, and then the dribbler moves away from the defender or the defender backs off.

I don't see a problem with using it as a means to communicate. The book doesn't say we should talk players out of trouble, but we do it anyway.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

When I first started officiating I was taught by a very good H.S. basketball official: You have nothing until you have something. If I don't have a closely guarded situation I have nothing until I have a closely guarded situation and then I have something.

MTD, Sr.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

When I first started officiating I was taught by a very good H.S. basketball official: You have nothing until you have something. If I don't have a closely guarded situation I have nothing until I have a closely guarded situation and then I have something.

MTD, Sr.

Yes but people question that we should have a count in many situations and certainly in the HS game where we do not have shot clock. Again, we cannot often tell everyone why we are doing something, this is an opportunity to do so during live ball.

Peace

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

When I first started officiating I was taught by a very good H.S. basketball official: You have nothing until you have something. If I don't have a closely guarded situation I have nothing until I have a closely guarded situation and then I have something.

MTD, Sr.

I totally understand that way of thinking. However, I don't understand why that signal is a problem.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

You have nothing until you have something. If I don't have a closely guarded situation I have nothing until I have a closely guarded situation and then I have something.

Connecticut IAABO (not international IAABO) went to a not closely guarded signal about ten years ago, then we switched back to not using the signal about five years ago.

[Refhoop]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I will use the "not closely guarded" signal when in a situation where a coach or player may think there should be closely-guarded count, as a way to communicate that yes... I am paying attention.

I'll also use it if I have a count, and then the dribbler moves away from the defender or the defender backs off.

I don't see a problem with using it as a means to communicate. The book doesn't say we should talk players out of trouble, but we do it anyway.

Do you pregame this?
Would it be odd to be in a game where one official is and the other(s) aren't?
Also, does this communicate that we're alert and engaged?

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Refhoop

Do you pregame this?
Would it be odd to be in a game where one official is and the other(s) aren't?
Also, does this communicate that we're alert and engaged?

No

I've never had anyone, partner, observer, or otherwise, tell me if was wrong or odd or bad.

Maybe, maybe not. But I've yet to hear it's a problem or bad idea. If I do, then I'll adjust.

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