Five Second, while holding in college

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Do I flip a coin? Can I call a friend?

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You obviously did not read or understand his post. It was very clear to me and others if you were not always trying to dissect something.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You obviously did not read or understand his post. It was very clear to me and others ...

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Three feet for women.

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

it's the same in NCAAW and NCAAM as of this season: six feet only when holding the ball in the frontcourt.

What's hard to understand about JetMetFan's post? What's not clear about JetMetFan's post? In regard to my questions about the distance for closely guarded in the college game, JetMetFan replies that, in both mens, and womens, college basketball, it's six feet, for holding, in the frontcourt. The "and" in his answer implied that it was the same for both gender rule sets.

As a high school only official, JRutledge's answer (three feet for women), and JetMetFan's answer (six feet for both men and women), confused me. Each individual post was clear, and easy to understand. One has to be correct, and one has to be incorrect. That's what confused me. Two different answers.

And now, I'm really confused:

Originally Posted by frezer11

6 feet for men's and women's.

Two for six feet? One for three feet? Who's an official ignorant in NCAA rules (namely me) to believe? Do I start a poll?

[Refhoop]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

What's hard to understand? What's not clear? In regard to my questions about the distance for closely guarded in the college game, JetMetFan replies that, in both mens, and womens, college basketball, it's six feet, for holding, in the frontcourt. The "and" in his answer implied that it was the same for both gender rule sets.

As a high school only official, JRutledge's answer (three feet for women), and JetMetFan's answer (six feet for both men and women), confused me.

And now, I'm really confused:



Two for six feet? One for three feet? Who's official ignorant in NCAA rules to believe?

Six feet holding only in NCAA men & women
Six feet holding or dribbling in NFHS

The OP shows a college player holding a ball closely guarded (within 2 ft.) for 12 seconds without ever even getting a count started. That's lazy, lack of knowledge or total disregard for a rule.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

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You obviously did not read or understand his post. It was very clear to me and others if you were not always trying to dissect something.

What's clear is that you were flat out WRONG. Now do you have the manhood to admit it for once in your life or will we be subject to more double-speak?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

What's clear is that you were flat out WRONG. Now do you have the manhood to admit it for once in your life or will we be subject to more double-speak?

Why don't you come out here and see what real manhood is? Because all that crap you love to talk would get you run out of here. Don't believe me, ask your friend from that way. Something tells me they would eat you alive.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

What's clear is that you were flat out WRONG. Now do you have the manhood to admit it for once in your life or will we be subject to more double-speak?

Who really cares? Seriously.

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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Who really cares? Seriously.

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He can talk to my patch.

Peace

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I more concerned about the stupid "not a closely guarded situation signal". I remember when the Men's and Women's CCA Manuals adopted it. I didn't use when I was a college official and I have never (with apologies to the late J. Dallas Shirley) have used the signal. I had a college coach ask me why I wasn't using the "not a closely guarded situation signal" because he couldn't tell if I had a closely guarded situation. I told him that I didn't need to and he asked why. I told him that if I am visibly counting I have a closely guarded situation and if I am not visibly counting I do not have a closely guarded situation. He gave me a puzzled look and then a light bulb lit up in his head, and he said that that made sense.

MTD, Sr.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I more concerned about the stupid "not a closely guarded situation signal". I remember when the Men's and Women's CCA Manuals adopted it. I didn't use when I was a college official and I have never (with apologies to the late J. Dallas Shirley) have used the signal. I had a college coach ask me why I wasn't using the "not a closely guarded situation signal" because he couldn't tell if I had a closely guarded situation. I told him that I didn't need to and he asked why. I told him that if I am visibly counting I have a closely guarded situation and if I am not visibly counting I do not have a closely guarded situation. He gave me a puzzled look and then a light bulb lit up in his head, and he said that that made sense.

MTD, Sr.

I think that signal is good when players are just standing still and not quite standing close enough. I have used this signal when coaches felt I should be counting. It gives information and more of our signals should give information.

Peace

Maybe the play in the OP is not something their supervisor wants called?

[BryanV21]

I will use the "not closely guarded" signal when in a situation where a coach or player may think there should be closely-guarded count, as a way to communicate that yes... I am paying attention.

I'll also use it if I have a count, and then the dribbler moves away from the defender or the defender backs off.

I don't see a problem with using it as a means to communicate. The book doesn't say we should talk players out of trouble, but we do it anyway.